For anyone who may be under the impression that Gangsta Rap invented misogyny or that WWF invented kayfabe, tango influenced the Bitchupslapping of the Apache Dance:
A bit OT - but having grown up in Finland, I always get extreme nostalgic feelings whenever tango comes up. For whatever reason, Tango was (probably still is) huge over there - unlike the other countries up here in northern Europe.
While other neighboring countries had what is essentially called "dance bands" (think smooth muzak version of country/western music), the Finns kept to their minor-keyed Tango.
This is an interesting topic for me personally, and the way I experience it is like this:
The starting point to a musical scale, classically, is major. Minor is the first alt-culture in key signature.
However, the next step to get a major minor like, is the major 7th, or other half tones, like the 6th. Then, you have the converse, making minors major like, such as the melodic minor scale, or the minor 7th.
Interesting songs, especially in popular culture, make use of this dualistic view. Examples are Wicked Game by Chris Isaak (in a mode, where you don't regress to tonic, giving it an incomplete and spooky theme), Clocks by Coldplay (major chord, minor on 5th rather than major; major on 4th).
You know what my first exposure to tango was? The Addams Family. The one from the early 90s with Raul Julia. Such an incredible pair of movies, and the music was fantastic.
Not super relevant, but I just wanted to remind people those movies existed
In Poland it was still pretty popular after the war and never got totally forgotten. For my generation it was "grandma's music" and therefore understandably disdained :-)
You are so on point! I was exposed to the music as a toddler. Totally forgot about it. At least so I thought...
I just clicked some audio samples and it all came rushing back, as if it all happened yesterday. I seriously hated those songs. Still do. I remember what I was thinking about it: the music tortiously drags it's tempo; individual sounds resemble decay and disintegration. Everything is so slow, as if embedded in tar. Instrment players seem to be just out of hospital and pumping their last breaths into those trumpets. I can almost hear arthritis squeaking in player's joints.
Those are the exact thoughts I had when I first encountered the music. I could easily be an 8 year old at the time. What a trip down memory lane!
of course the tables have turned and, I imagine, I'm coming off as the same grandpa to the newer generation
It seems there was a song called "Nikodem" recorded on that record label in 1933 [1] and also revived by a modern band [2]. (I don't know anything more about it.)
Can someone please post a top comment with links to audio (and video, if pertinent and available)? The couple of links I visited in some comments were mesmerizing. Thank you.
For reference I would like to post a link to an attempt of modern reinterpretation of traditional Polish tango by US-born artist Mika Urbaniak:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERqzrkDSnsY
Every time I read about German atrocities, it baffled me that they only got a slap on the wrist for all the evil they have brought upon the innocent people. Listening to the old tango records is a haunting experience.
However, I'm going to soapbox here because I am dismayed by the repetition of the by now widely accepted uninformed mischaracterizations of interwar Polish-Jewish relations through various vague insinuations. I wish I didn't have to do this, but hurtful, even hateful, untruths will become accepted as truth if such claims are allowed to continue and left unaddressed.
"Briefly put, it was no picnic, in particular because of the overt antisemitism of the popular National Democratic Party, which organized successful boycotts against Jewish-owned businesses. For the fascists and racists who waved the banner of the NDP, antisemitism was nothing less than a prerequisite to Polish patriotism."
"Antisemitism" is a racial or ethnic hatred of Jews. The quotidian anti-Jewish sentiment that existed during the interwar period in Poland, when it existed, was not racial or racist in character. It was largely economic in nature and based in grievances having to do with the dominance of Jews in certain occupations, economic classes, especially where these intersect with questions of national allegiance. These must be interpreted in the context of the prevailing historical and political conditions. Neither fascism nor racism were meaningfully represented in Poland. People have simply gotten lazy and used to interpreting nationalism entirely through the lens of, e.g., German racial theories, whereas in Poland, national allegiance and cultural affiliation were much more important questions. Whom the Jews were loyal to was the "Jewish Question", not your ethnic origins (the countless examples of assimilated Polish Jews provide such an example). Furthermore, the subject of Polish-Jewish relations is always covered in a superficial way. For example, if you speak with Poles who lived during that period, many will tell you of their experiences with Jews who harbored anti-Polish attitudes and looked down on the so-called goyim (e.g., by refusing to let their children play with non-Jews). Sadly, Polish-Jewish relations are always portrayed in a childish, simplistic, one-sided, black and white manner. The ignorance of journalists who merely parrot these bigoted sentiments does not help (using offensive phrases like "Polish concentration camp" is but the tip of the iceberg).
"Even so, being a Jewish composer, musician, or performer in Warsaw, whose population between the wars was roughly one-third Jewish, offered Jews a rare measure of personal and professional freedom. [...] Thus, for large swaths of the Polish population, especially those in Warsaw, Jewish composers, musicians, and performers were tolerated, and even welcomed, to the extent, that is, that they were entertaining."
Where does the author get such an idea. Poland was home to the largest number of Jews in the world at the time and had been for centuries as the "Paradisus Judaeorum". To this day, you can still find older Jews who will tell you that. The way the author writes makes it seem like Poles merely tolerated Jews as long as they managed to be entertaining. What nonsense. Jews have been involved in entertainment in many countries, including Hollywood (which was established by Polish Jews).
"The Jewish immigrants living there had fled less welcoming corners of interwar Poland than Warsaw [...] left the increasingly hostile environment of Eastern Europe for Palestine.""
Again, the insinuation is that Warsaw and broadly interwar Poland was a menacing place for Jews. An honest, historically literate person will know that's untrue.
"That sounds pretty hopeful, but given what we know about the interwar years, let’s hope that a repeat of 1930s Poland isn’t also right around the corner."
More weasel words. This sentence perhaps takes the cake and ultimately motivated me to write this comment because it confirms my original suspicions. First, the author misrepresents the general character of interwar Poland vis-a-vis Polish-Jewish relations (which he smears earlier in the article as I've shown). But then, the author makes an unintelligible insinuation that, whatever the menacing eldritch forces of 1930s Poland were (insinuated, but unnamed), a specter of these hitherto unnamed forces is at hand in Poland. What an absurd thing to say.
Had the author stuck to the subject matter instead of using his article as a platform for repeating tired canards, it would have been a much more enjoyable read about an interesting period of history and an interesting part of the world that regrettably few people in the West know much about, yet who believe many bigoted stereotypes about (some of which have their origins in Nazi/fascist propaganda and imperialist smear campaigns launched by, e.g., Germany to justify their claims on Polish soil). It's a shame that these canards serve as an introduction on the subject.
(For those interested in Polish-Jewish relations, I have been told that Iwo Cyprian Pogonowski's "Jews in Poland" is a good read.)
[+] [-] supernova87a|5 years ago|reply
Thanks to the others here who have posted links.
It brings back to mind a lot of Eastern European / klezmer tones and sentiments... and sighing because of your fate in life.
[+] [-] 082349872349872|5 years ago|reply
Youtube has no shortage of these with a little searching ("Szukaj"), for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYQYBIDYkkk has several on her channel. Oysgetseykhnt!
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For anyone who may be under the impression that Gangsta Rap invented misogyny or that WWF invented kayfabe, tango influenced the Bitchupslapping of the Apache Dance:
(straight) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rX_SHIZaRI
(lampshaded) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcGnYLVixeY
[+] [-] galfarragem|5 years ago|reply
Russian version[1] of Polish tango Ostatnie Niedziela imortalized in a film chronicling the purges of 1930's Soviet Union.[2]
[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEL0RL_bBkw
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8sRJ-zAMFk
[2] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111579/
[+] [-] mikorym|5 years ago|reply
[+] [-] TrackerFF|5 years ago|reply
While other neighboring countries had what is essentially called "dance bands" (think smooth muzak version of country/western music), the Finns kept to their minor-keyed Tango.
[+] [-] 082349872349872|5 years ago|reply
OTOH finland doesn't seem totally impervious to dance music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aLb6vJ_TkI
Tai vuoksein itkis' koko Argentiina :-)
[+] [-] mikorym|5 years ago|reply
This is an interesting topic for me personally, and the way I experience it is like this:
The starting point to a musical scale, classically, is major. Minor is the first alt-culture in key signature.
However, the next step to get a major minor like, is the major 7th, or other half tones, like the 6th. Then, you have the converse, making minors major like, such as the melodic minor scale, or the minor 7th.
Interesting songs, especially in popular culture, make use of this dualistic view. Examples are Wicked Game by Chris Isaak (in a mode, where you don't regress to tonic, giving it an incomplete and spooky theme), Clocks by Coldplay (major chord, minor on 5th rather than major; major on 4th).
[+] [-] jedimastert|5 years ago|reply
Not super relevant, but I just wanted to remind people those movies existed
[+] [-] praptak|5 years ago|reply
[+] [-] eurekin|5 years ago|reply
I just clicked some audio samples and it all came rushing back, as if it all happened yesterday. I seriously hated those songs. Still do. I remember what I was thinking about it: the music tortiously drags it's tempo; individual sounds resemble decay and disintegration. Everything is so slow, as if embedded in tar. Instrment players seem to be just out of hospital and pumping their last breaths into those trumpets. I can almost hear arthritis squeaking in player's joints.
Those are the exact thoughts I had when I first encountered the music. I could easily be an 8 year old at the time. What a trip down memory lane!
of course the tables have turned and, I imagine, I'm coming off as the same grandpa to the newer generation
[+] [-] 082349872349872|5 years ago|reply
Gotan Projet and Bajofondo are two groups I know of who interpret electro-tango for the grandkids, e.g. the 16-bit stylings of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8SVYDvMVzY
[+] [-] ericol|5 years ago|reply
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[+] [-] q3k|5 years ago|reply
“Tango Milonga” - Petersburski/Włast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3dE8wDk-aA
[+] [-] kencausey|5 years ago|reply
https://culture.pl/en/article/from-last-sunday-to-last-shabb...
and has link to another article on same site:
https://culture.pl/en/article/interwar-music-revivalists-the...
which has video links. I'm less certain any of them will provide a proper taste of what you seek.
[+] [-] skybrian|5 years ago|reply
It seems there was a song called "Nikodem" recorded on that record label in 1933 [1] and also revived by a modern band [2]. (I don't know anything more about it.)
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2VSR_4xFp0 [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR0sj-rWpf4
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However, I'm going to soapbox here because I am dismayed by the repetition of the by now widely accepted uninformed mischaracterizations of interwar Polish-Jewish relations through various vague insinuations. I wish I didn't have to do this, but hurtful, even hateful, untruths will become accepted as truth if such claims are allowed to continue and left unaddressed.
"Briefly put, it was no picnic, in particular because of the overt antisemitism of the popular National Democratic Party, which organized successful boycotts against Jewish-owned businesses. For the fascists and racists who waved the banner of the NDP, antisemitism was nothing less than a prerequisite to Polish patriotism."
"Antisemitism" is a racial or ethnic hatred of Jews. The quotidian anti-Jewish sentiment that existed during the interwar period in Poland, when it existed, was not racial or racist in character. It was largely economic in nature and based in grievances having to do with the dominance of Jews in certain occupations, economic classes, especially where these intersect with questions of national allegiance. These must be interpreted in the context of the prevailing historical and political conditions. Neither fascism nor racism were meaningfully represented in Poland. People have simply gotten lazy and used to interpreting nationalism entirely through the lens of, e.g., German racial theories, whereas in Poland, national allegiance and cultural affiliation were much more important questions. Whom the Jews were loyal to was the "Jewish Question", not your ethnic origins (the countless examples of assimilated Polish Jews provide such an example). Furthermore, the subject of Polish-Jewish relations is always covered in a superficial way. For example, if you speak with Poles who lived during that period, many will tell you of their experiences with Jews who harbored anti-Polish attitudes and looked down on the so-called goyim (e.g., by refusing to let their children play with non-Jews). Sadly, Polish-Jewish relations are always portrayed in a childish, simplistic, one-sided, black and white manner. The ignorance of journalists who merely parrot these bigoted sentiments does not help (using offensive phrases like "Polish concentration camp" is but the tip of the iceberg).
"Even so, being a Jewish composer, musician, or performer in Warsaw, whose population between the wars was roughly one-third Jewish, offered Jews a rare measure of personal and professional freedom. [...] Thus, for large swaths of the Polish population, especially those in Warsaw, Jewish composers, musicians, and performers were tolerated, and even welcomed, to the extent, that is, that they were entertaining."
Where does the author get such an idea. Poland was home to the largest number of Jews in the world at the time and had been for centuries as the "Paradisus Judaeorum". To this day, you can still find older Jews who will tell you that. The way the author writes makes it seem like Poles merely tolerated Jews as long as they managed to be entertaining. What nonsense. Jews have been involved in entertainment in many countries, including Hollywood (which was established by Polish Jews).
"The Jewish immigrants living there had fled less welcoming corners of interwar Poland than Warsaw [...] left the increasingly hostile environment of Eastern Europe for Palestine.""
Again, the insinuation is that Warsaw and broadly interwar Poland was a menacing place for Jews. An honest, historically literate person will know that's untrue.
"That sounds pretty hopeful, but given what we know about the interwar years, let’s hope that a repeat of 1930s Poland isn’t also right around the corner."
More weasel words. This sentence perhaps takes the cake and ultimately motivated me to write this comment because it confirms my original suspicions. First, the author misrepresents the general character of interwar Poland vis-a-vis Polish-Jewish relations (which he smears earlier in the article as I've shown). But then, the author makes an unintelligible insinuation that, whatever the menacing eldritch forces of 1930s Poland were (insinuated, but unnamed), a specter of these hitherto unnamed forces is at hand in Poland. What an absurd thing to say.
Had the author stuck to the subject matter instead of using his article as a platform for repeating tired canards, it would have been a much more enjoyable read about an interesting period of history and an interesting part of the world that regrettably few people in the West know much about, yet who believe many bigoted stereotypes about (some of which have their origins in Nazi/fascist propaganda and imperialist smear campaigns launched by, e.g., Germany to justify their claims on Polish soil). It's a shame that these canards serve as an introduction on the subject.
(For those interested in Polish-Jewish relations, I have been told that Iwo Cyprian Pogonowski's "Jews in Poland" is a good read.)