[iongoatb]

As someone that develops Wordpress and Jamstack sites for a living (among other things like apps / devops), this is silly. Debating Wordpress versus Jamstack is like comparing apples to oranges. I use Gatsby + Contentful (or other APIs, like a Headless Wordpress setup) for some situations, and I use Wordpress for many companies as well. Small businesses are not going to hire a designer for PDF designs and then hire a developer to build a Gatsby site, and relearn using a CMS like Contentful instead of Wordpress. Not going to happen. For more sophisticated clients, or for building static sites myself, I always use Gatsby. These type of clients have a higher budget, and can pay for a designer and developer to build the site properly and deal with a more sophisticated deployment architecture.

Wordpress is not going away. As long as you don't have to code to use Wordpress, it will be easier and far more accessible for people that don't have a lot of money for a website to hire a web designer (lower skill, lower pay than developer).

Gatsby or another Jamstack client could build themes that don't require coding, similar to Wordpress, but I don't see it happening. Webflow is sort of doing that now by allowing designers to build websites without coding.

Ultimately, the debate is silly because Wordpress and Jamstack have two different use cases. Wordpress will probably become less popular for big companies, but it will still be very popular for your average small to mid-sized business.

[dimmke]

I just built my first site in Gatsby (https://pubgood.dev/) and I honestly missed WordPress. Gatsby just doesn't take care of enough stuff without having to install a bunch of other solutions. I'm not sure of the extent I will use it in client sites.

I haven't regularly done client WP work in several years but I'm planning on doing some over the next year and I'm curious - how good is Gutenberg now? Before it would be adding fields to the admin with a plugin like Advanced Custom Fields - were they able to make it truly WYSIWYG for editing content?

[zapt02]

Look into ACF Blocks (it's part of ACF now), they allow you to very easily extend Gutenberg with minimal coding and simple templating.

WordPress core team is still working on the "full site editing" project (that is, being able to edit headers, footers and sidebars in Gutenberg). It's coming probably later this year or beginning of 2021. But you can still edit a lot of things with Gutenberg as-is.

https://www.advancedcustomfields.com/resources/blocks/

[duhi88]

Gridsome is the one that I use (VueJS version of Gatsby). What are the sorts of things you found it couldn't do?

I want to get our team using it for simpler projects, and I haven't really hit any blockers with Gridsome, whereas I've hit plenty with Wordpress when we need a specific url structure.

[iamben]

Until recently had been a while since I've done anything wordpress either, but rather than ACF I've always been a fan of https://jeremyhixon.com/tool/wordpress-meta-box-generator/ -- such a neat way to do it for clients. Worked fine with Gutenberg as well.

[joe_momma]

Use something like Contentful with Gutenberg

[robodale]

Yea, I can register a domain name, spin up a wordpress site on some shared hosting platform and point it to that domain, install some nice-ish template, connect an email service, and even get some basic pages, (very) basic content, and a handful of useful plugins on there in an afternoon.

Honestly...what other stack could get you that far in 3-4 HOURS?

[iongoatb]

Exactly.

[searchableguy]

You can use something like forestry: https://forestry.io or any of the few alternatives for managing content for your static generator site.

[FrontAid]

Or have a look at https://frontaid.io/ if you want to store your content in a JSON file in your own Git repository.

[zapt02]

Is there something like Forestry (CMS with Git as datastore) but self-hosted and/or open-source?

[corobo]

Absolutely. I work with Wordpress for the day job it'd be horrible trying to do the same for my own site. Every issue would feel like work.

For clients though? If they want WordPress (or give a feature list that sounds up WordPress' alley without needing a bespoke Laravel build) they get it. We'd lose all our customers if I tried to get them editing Hugo markdown files!

Netlify could do with watching their PR at this point I feel. The honeymoon period is over. I've personally switched my site to a fiver DigitalOcean box and Cloudflare because I already had the DO box for another project. The deploy is infinitely faster and I don't need to worry about hitting limits bumping me up to a 50 quid a month account

[joe_momma]

Popular for small to midsize businesses to do what? Blog? They don't need wordpress to sell items or create their brochure pages. If they need a blog wordpress is good for that but even something like Medium may be a better option. The day of putting everything under one roof is gone.

[iongoatb]

Blogging is not the primary use of Wordpress in practice for small to medium sized businesses.

[Mooty]

Maybe ecommerce or anything else, as it's also a bulletproof framework.