$350 a month for an unmetered 1 gbps connection? That is cheaper than you can get it at a colo. Anyone want to get an apartment there with me and split the cost? Contact in profile. Nooga Apartment Colo servers :)
Related analysis from 2008: "a radical suggestion: rather than design and develop massive data centers with 15 year lives, let’s incrementally purchase condominiums (just-in-time) and place a small number of systems in each." http://perspectives.mvdirona.com/2008/04/06/DiseconomiesOfSc...
That's literally 10 times what a similar service costs in Hong Kong. Tokyo also has a gbps offering for about 60USD/month.
I really don't understand why this keeps getting submitted to HN. Yes, it's a good connection, but it's nothing amazing and it's ridiculously expensive.
Observation: For coworking and hacker spaces, apparently it reduces latency but that's about it for a business-class connection. Surprisingly, the issues of abuse tend to go away as multi-TB hard drives are self-limiting.
Potential Uses:
1. Adaptive media streaming protocols that minimize frame skipping and buffering, and instead gradually reduces quality seem obvious.
2. Outbound streaming to mobile perhaps.
Questions:
1. What is the oversubscription of the various upstream connection(s)? In other countries other than the US, this is a required bit of disclosure.
2. Which port(s) are blocked?
3. What's the bandwidth, ping and packet-loss like?
My Internet connection at home and at work comes from EPB Fiber.
1. oversubscription. I have no idea, honestly, but I do not have any problem maxing out my connection. I have the slowest they sell (30Mb). That is data throughput not bits over the wire so my actual connection is closer to 40 according to my network card. I can usually pull down 3.2MB/s.
2. As far as I can tell only outgoing 25 (to other than their server) is blocked. Incoming 25 works fine.
3. I kinda answered that above. I went to Alexa and tracerouted the top 10 Internet sites (that responded) from my Comcast connection before the install and then EPB right after.
Comcast average: 14.5 hops 92.397 ms
EPB average: 13.5 hops 37.891 ms
Symmetrical downlink and uplink is the really exciting part to me. Imagine being able to transmit GB-sized files point to point in a matter of minutes. There are so many opportunities for stuff you can do with that :)
Article doesn't really answer the question: how do you use a 1Gb/s internet link? My crappy Comcast connection can stream full-screen HD video from Netflix, and what more could a consumer reasonably want?
Your crappy connection can stream HD video, but what happens when you are streaming HD video, someone else is downloading some large files, and another person is trying to get in some online gaming?
Edit: Hell, nothing stops you from doing all of this at once yourself.
I had the chance to meet with some EPB execs who said that for the most part the residents who had the 1Gb/s service got it for bragging rights or because they could. One gentleman does use it to stream HD movies from his server at work to his house.
3D HD and 100 HD channels. In some years, SuperHD. Easy and instant sharing of files with your friends across town, and later across state and country.
In the Netherlands optic fiber is being rolled out by independent companies, who then rent it out to internet providers. The way they decide where to do it is quite smart: you can vote for your own city, and if it gets enough votes, they'll provide it to the whole city. This way they can make sure they don't spend their money on a city where nobody wants it (yet).
"Those who have ordered face challenges; if they want to experience the full 1Gbps speed they're paying for, standard WiFi connections aren't fast enough. Some customers have switched to wired gigabit routers in order to access their full bandwidth."
Facing challenges? Really? Of the handful of people to order the service, some of them didn't realise they would need more than a 10/100 router to use it? That's idiocy, either on the part of a technical user who didn't think of it, or on the part of the ISP who didn't explain it to a non-technical customer purchasing the service. It's not a challenge.
Honestly, my guess is they will be disappointed by how little difference there is between a 100mbit internet connection and a 1gbit connection in practice.
And, yes, setting up a gigabit wireless network counts as a challenge, even for non-idiots.
I consider moving a business from WiFi to wired ethernet a challenge. If the business was larger than micro (25+ employees) and renting office space, then converting from WiFi to wired ethernet could pose some problems.
Your suggestion of idiocy is neither warranted nor considerate.
Some applications that might be able to make use of that kind of bandwidth... You could do a lot of high-fidelity virtualization with HD Video editing, image editing, even 3D modeling.
Telepresence is an obvious application.
Oh gosh, if you combined this kind of bandwidth with a bunch of Kinect sensors, things could get REAL. :-D
AFAICT, from a number of attempts I've read about in many communities:
1. Get the tech people together
2. Have a sensible plan to roll it out, backed by a utility or municipal government (so that they can levy a charge on all residents for initial costs), supported by your community, and with all due diligence done and paid for
3. Get your pants sued off by whoever is currently providing high-speed
The hidden cost is having a switch/router/both to handle the rates, as well as using Gig-rated cabling which is surprisingly not the same as 100Mb. When I hand crimped a number of cables and tested they weren't suitable for Gig.
It kinda seems like they've slowed deployment of high-bandwidth cable connections. I've got a 50mbit comcast business account now, but I've been promised that 100mbit will be available "soon" for quite a while now.
I knew this was part of the strategy once they started the process to acquire NBC.
Now it's doubly against their best interest to improve broadband adoption:
1) file sharing now impacts their infrastructure spend
2) file sharing impacts media arm's profitability
Please tell me why this merger was even allowed?
Next up: Lowered bandwidth caps (hell, follow AT&T and apply overages to a formerly unlimited plan!), and "tiered" access. Soon, internet will be indistinguishable from cable television.
[+] [-] ewams|15 years ago|reply
[+] [-] wmf|15 years ago|reply
[+] [-] xiaoma|15 years ago|reply
I really don't understand why this keeps getting submitted to HN. Yes, it's a good connection, but it's nothing amazing and it's ridiculously expensive.
[+] [-] ceejayoz|15 years ago|reply
[+] [-] jonknee|15 years ago|reply
[+] [-] ballard|15 years ago|reply
Potential Uses:
1. Adaptive media streaming protocols that minimize frame skipping and buffering, and instead gradually reduces quality seem obvious.
2. Outbound streaming to mobile perhaps.
Questions:
1. What is the oversubscription of the various upstream connection(s)? In other countries other than the US, this is a required bit of disclosure.
2. Which port(s) are blocked?
3. What's the bandwidth, ping and packet-loss like?
[+] [-] JackZielke|15 years ago|reply
1. oversubscription. I have no idea, honestly, but I do not have any problem maxing out my connection. I have the slowest they sell (30Mb). That is data throughput not bits over the wire so my actual connection is closer to 40 according to my network card. I can usually pull down 3.2MB/s.
2. As far as I can tell only outgoing 25 (to other than their server) is blocked. Incoming 25 works fine.
3. I kinda answered that above. I went to Alexa and tracerouted the top 10 Internet sites (that responded) from my Comcast connection before the install and then EPB right after. Comcast average: 14.5 hops 92.397 ms EPB average: 13.5 hops 37.891 ms
Hope that helps.
[+] [-] Prisen|15 years ago|reply
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[+] [-] Goronmon|15 years ago|reply
Edit: Hell, nothing stops you from doing all of this at once yourself.
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[+] [-] Hipchan|15 years ago|reply
Also Onlive. Also more than one TV at the same time?
Live streaming HD video cameras from inside the house to outside when you're at work?
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[+] [-] corin_|15 years ago|reply
Facing challenges? Really? Of the handful of people to order the service, some of them didn't realise they would need more than a 10/100 router to use it? That's idiocy, either on the part of a technical user who didn't think of it, or on the part of the ISP who didn't explain it to a non-technical customer purchasing the service. It's not a challenge.
[+] [-] eli|15 years ago|reply
And, yes, setting up a gigabit wireless network counts as a challenge, even for non-idiots.
[+] [-] TrevorFancher|15 years ago|reply
Your suggestion of idiocy is neither warranted nor considerate.
[+] [-] BrainScraps|15 years ago|reply
Telepresence is an obvious application.
Oh gosh, if you combined this kind of bandwidth with a bunch of Kinect sensors, things could get REAL. :-D
[+] [-] filipiak|15 years ago|reply
[+] [-] patrickyeon|15 years ago|reply
1. Get the tech people together
2. Have a sensible plan to roll it out, backed by a utility or municipal government (so that they can levy a charge on all residents for initial costs), supported by your community, and with all due diligence done and paid for
3. Get your pants sued off by whoever is currently providing high-speed
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[+] [-] trout|15 years ago|reply
Full Disclosure: I'm a shitty crimper.
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[+] [-] RyanKearney|15 years ago|reply
https://twitter.com/#!/ComcastBill/status/45843247490273280
[+] [-] eli|15 years ago|reply
[+] [-] r00fus|15 years ago|reply
Now it's doubly against their best interest to improve broadband adoption:
1) file sharing now impacts their infrastructure spend 2) file sharing impacts media arm's profitability
Please tell me why this merger was even allowed?
Next up: Lowered bandwidth caps (hell, follow AT&T and apply overages to a formerly unlimited plan!), and "tiered" access. Soon, internet will be indistinguishable from cable television.
[+] [-] josiahq|15 years ago|reply
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