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mswtk | 5 years ago

> managed to turn Poland against abortion

As a Pole, this comes off as incredibly arrogant and self-centered. People outside the US have agency as well, they're not all just puppets of US special interest groups. Not everything revolves around you.

Factually, the claim is also false. The ACLJ's brief was completely irrelevant to the decision in question.

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542354234235|5 years ago

This comes off as wishful thinking. You don't want it to be true that outside entities could use money and propaganda to influence your country, so therefore it isn't true. Also, responding to a comprehensive report about the ACLJ's work to influence Poland by just saying basically "no it didn't" isn't a very compelling argument.

mswtk|5 years ago

The report linked mentions the ACLJ being involved in several ECHR cases, and submitting an amicus brief in favor of the recent Constitutional Court decision. That's it. You think that's enough to push the government and judiciary of a nation of 40 million into confrontation with a large social movement, with mass ongoing protests. And it's me who's naive?

Again, it takes a serious amount of arrogance to read two paragraphs of text in a report and believe yourself to be better informed than someone who spent all of their life immersed in the historical and social context of what's going on. So, with all due respect, I have the same advice for you as for the original post I replied to: Get over yourself. Not everything in the world is about Trump.

pjc50|5 years ago

It's still remarkable that Poland is the first European country to head in this direction, and after a series of constitutional crises. The kind of populism that's so popular that people are demonstrating in the street against it.

p_l|5 years ago

We essentially have a local group that thinks similarly to US anti-abortion activists, and they are part of "coalition" (hard to call it coalition when it's all factions of the same party, informally).