[mmm_grayons]

> I think swing has since figured [HiDPI] out

I hear Java GUI has supposedly gotten better, but all of the Java GUI apps I see look awful. For instance, try telling that to Ghidra and it's butt-ugly text that shows up super thin on my hidpi display. I like Ghidra, but for a graphical RE tool, Cutter is so much prettier with its QT interface. Of course, r2 is great and works from CLI.

[spullara]

JetBrains products are all Java GUI apps and people love them. Depends on the team building it more than the technology.

[patrec]

I say that some who likes Jetbrains and buys their products:

No one in his right mind loves the UI of Jetbrains Apps and the Linux experience has always been a shitshow unless you were using Gnome or KDE. Because Swing does not implement the XWindows protocol properly. So yeah, a great team can still make a functional app with terrible GUI technology -- but there is a world of a difference to something that's really polished, fast and enjoyable to use.

[ptx]

People love IntelliJ despite Swing because its other qualities make up for the slightly off-looking Swing font rendering, the glitching Swing layout redrawing and the glitching Swing window focus.

Also, the menu bar in IntelliJ was reimplemented from scratch to make it work properly. The Swing menu bar would have been unusable with its broken handling of submenus.

[naikrovek]

But they're ugly and impossible to use, for some of us. Just awful and horrible UI and flow... I simply do not get the love for IntelliJ anything.

[scns]

Take a look at Bitwig