[jops]

Even if this was a good idea, the push on commercialisation puts me off. And as other commenters have said, the DSL feels like it would end up being a hinderance. Stimulus (and perhaps StimulusReflex) feel like the safer bets for the dynamic rails future.

[pdoub]

As someone who's been involved with the project from day one, I'm genuinely interested in what other suggestion you have for making a living while wrinting OS software. There's a lot of discussions around sustainable open source, and I wonder what's so wrong about asking people that find the project supportable enough to become a GH sponsor (I myself am one, since leaving the company around Matestack as a co-founder due to mental health issues), asking companies that profit from it for a tiny compensation and offering premium add-ons & consulting (like, e.g., the people behind Sidekick, Trailblazer or Laravel do). Tough ask when tons of OSS is free & high quality, but then again not everybody has the luxury of either already being famous and/or being employed at $bigcorp to write OSS for a living (and we as a community perhaps should embrace different paths?!). Looking forward to a constructive discussion if you find the time :)

Also, there's a lot of "I think the DSL ends up a hinderance" in this threat from people that (perhaps) haven't tried it and judge from the looks. Maybe that's just the tough HN crowd, but every single person we've actually had using it was pretty happy to with it once they were fully onboarded :)

[heleninboodler]

> there's a lot of "I think the DSL ends up a hinderance" in this [thread] from people that (perhaps) haven't tried it and judge from the looks

As unfair as this seems to you, I think it's also unfair to dismiss them as not having tried it, since I've personally tried many (I can remember encountering them in 2008 on my first ruby project and many times in the interim) and never had a good experience. It feels like a novelty that doesn't really add anything except a disconnect between what I have to write and what I mean, when "what I mean" is actually really simple and not hard to write. Your mileage may vary, but the "DSL hate" is actually rooted in experience for many people.

But you're right, I definitely haven't tried it, and I don't intend to, so I could be missing out. I just really don't think so. More power to everyone who likes this sort of thing. :)