[boudewijnrempt]

Yes, it does, because Nokia had its fingers in both bowls of porridge, to the extent where people like Michael Meeks were fighting really hard to keep a small library like kcalendar out of Maemo.

Nokia started with GTK and when they went to Qt, they never stopped their involvement with GTK/GNOME -- they seemed to have expected the idiots in both camps to just work together for the good of free software, and like the idiots we were, we didn't.

Good grief, the painful conversations we had after the Dublin MeeGo conf ended, between people from both camps...

I was there; I wrote code; I had employees, I went to the various conferences and trade shows. My company provided one of the default apps on the N9...

[flukus]

> Nokia started with GTK and when they went to Qt

Did they ever actually get to this point? I understand it was the long term plan but the only MeeGo phones actually released by nokia were still GTK based.

[basicneo]

What are your thoughts on the Pinephone?

What would a reasonable goal for success look like? How can it be achieved? What would cause it to fail?

[boudewijnrempt]

It's not going to replace the enormous investment Nokia made into the free software/linux community... So it won't help the graphs the original article showed. But by another measure, it's already a success since it exists.