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aisofteng | 5 years ago

Why is “get more women into STEM” a worthy goal in and of itself?

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whatshisface|5 years ago

Well, it depends on whether women stay out of STEM because they don't care about programming, or whether they stay out of STEM because they're worried about being alone in a toxic environment. Ideally a diversity program would not influence group 1 while solving the problem for group 2.

aisofteng|5 years ago

That’s a different problem. “Fix toxic environments that keep certain types of people out of an honest line of work” is a good problem to solve. That is not the same as “let’s increase the number of people of a certain demographic within an industry”, in and of itself, taken entirely on its own.

eloff|5 years ago

If you phrase the problem like that, there is no problem. Group 1 is tiny compared to group 2.

I think addressing group 2 is a desirable and valid goal.

Societal gender roles say nurses and teachers are women's work and STEM is man's work. That's the thing one would need to address, and at a young age. It's not entirely clear how one can do that. One "only" has to challenge the societal norms that define gender roles themselves. Not an easy problem.