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iridium_core | 5 years ago

Overflow hospitals in the UK have never been used:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/covid-patients-england-ni...

The UK Government is arresting people who film empty hospitals:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13619752/moment-anti-covid-loc...

Meanwhile less than 400 people under age 50 have died with/of COVID in the UK.

The fundamental driver of this pandemic is the ill-health of the population - driven by sugar (obesity), coal and oil (air pollution), as well as Vitamin (D) deficiencies - but these factors receive no attention.

Meanwhile in Sweden - without hard lockdown - deaths are up only 3.2% above 2018, and even then explained by mortality shifting from 2019 and 2021.

Even Ukraine without hard lockdown over Winter has had far fewer deaths per Capita than the UK and has a much more rudimentary healthcare system.

Lockdown seems to drive deaths, at huge social and economic cost, rather than prevent them.

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xemoka|5 years ago

That 400 number seems off to me. Without more information on where you've pulled that number, what I can find is that there's ~74.7k deaths where COVID-19 was mentioned on the death cert in England and Whales since January last year. They didn't seem to really start counting that until March, until that point they were just classified as respiratory diseases.

Current statistics show that there's around 1'400 deaths of those under 50 with COVID-19 listed on their death registration, ( https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsde... ).

Where's your data from?

> Lockdown seems to drive deaths, at huge social and economic cost, rather than prevent them.

This could easily be a reversed causality, that deaths drive lockdowns... which, on the surface seems to make sense as high deaths seem to force politicians to lockdown (either for reality or perception).

pw201|5 years ago

> The UK Government is arresting people who film empty hospitals:

The police arrested one person who walked, mask-less, though quiet public areas of a busy hospital (and was abusive when challenged by hospital workers). The vital need to spread conspiracy theories on Facebook isn't one of the "reasonable excuses" for leaving your house.

CodeGlitch|5 years ago

> The fundamental driver of this pandemic is the ill-health of the population - driven by sugar (obesity), coal and oil (air pollution), as well as Vitamin (D) deficiencies - but these factors receive no attention

I was saying this at the start of the pandemic. The UK is approaching US -levels of obesity, but now we have "fat shaming" whereby any mention of overweight people being unhealthy is socially unacceptable; and showing skinny people in adverts on the London Undergound causes "offence". I wonder if this particular world-view will reverse in the coming years?