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fsdfgsfsdfsdfsd | 5 years ago

Apple and Google just censored a whole social network. How can you claim it is just "people calling for violence"?

It's the oldest excuse in the book. And exactly why universal free speech is needed. Because otherwise that same excuse will be made every time.

Alternatively, I guess there simply will never be free speech and people will always have to fight to get heard.

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iamacyborg|5 years ago

A social network that hosts terrorist content.

bboygravity|5 years ago

Every social network ever in the history of humanity has hosted terrorist content.

Also any opinion ever in the history of humanity could be interpreted as being "terrorist content" by someone.

Are you seriously implying we should be going back to a modern version of book burning?

I just can't get my head around how apparently the majority of people seems to be back at "censorship is good", us good they bad.

diveanon|5 years ago

They didn't censor anything, they chose not to host it.

Parler made choices as a product to host virulent seditionist rhetoric without moderation and are facing the consequences.

If they had structured their product and infrastructure better, and made an attempt to moderate themselves they wouldn't be in this position.

fsdfgsfsdfsdfsd|5 years ago

Choosing not to host it because of the content. Of course it is censorship. That people can perhaps publish their opinions somewhere else does not imply that it is not censorship.

Jonnax|5 years ago

Apple and Google are private companies.

It is their platform.

Free speech is freedom from the government not private companies.

It's just pure entitlement.

Users can install alternative app stores or apps directly on Android phones. Or even they could buy a Linux phone like the PinePhone and install whatever they want.

But no, they want the audiences built by private companies.

It's funny how those who decry communism so much want state control of businesses.

And to note, users on Parler are advocating blowing up AWS data centers: https://twitter.com/JohnPaczkowski/status/134811382832466739...

Const-me|5 years ago

> Apple and Google are private companies. It is their platform.

Long ago the same applied to water suppliers, electricity suppliers, railroad networks, phone networks.

Each and every time, once these private companies accumulated disproportional amount of power over people, these private companies were forcibly split, nationalized, and/or heavily regulated. This happened on behalf of the people who elect governments to do so.

Do you think modern Apple and Google are very different from Bell System in 1982?

fsdfgsfsdfsdfsd|5 years ago

I never said Apple or Google are not entitled to censor stuff.

I fully support the rights of private companies to do that.

People are also entitled to be critical of such moves and to look for alternatives. That's all.

What if Google would openly support fascism. Would you also defend their right to do so, because they are a private company? Would you happily continue to use their products? Or would you prefer to have an alternative?

manicdee|5 years ago

Parler was set up specifically to provide a place where Trump supporters could discuss sedition, terrorism, and make plans to prevent a handover of power in the case that Trump lost the election.

It is common for people to get banned from Parler for things as simple as questioning the evidence “supporting” various conspiracy theories.

So don’t complain when the entire site gets taken offline due to breaching various terms of service regarding “do not use our platform for terrorism.”