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None of Us Knows What We're Doing

164 points| srid | 15 years ago |feross.org | reply

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[+] goo|15 years ago|reply
I don't usually play the part of armchair psychologist, but this essay appears to me to be an excellent example of projection.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projection_bias

The author assumes that because he doesn't know what he's doing, other people also don't.

I disagree. Sometimes people can know exactly what they're doing, and be fairly confident about the possible consequences.

I made a viral hit similar to the author's YT instant, and I very much did not know what I was doing. Then I did it again with different code, without leveraging the existing user base, just to see if it was all luck. It wasn't. I think a better argument would be that "sometimes successful projects are successful by accident", but that would make a terrible post title.

[+] SoftwareMaven|15 years ago|reply
I agree with you completely, but I do think the biggest thing holding people back is fear, either that they won't do the right thing or they will fail.

As I told my kids tonight, be do-ers, not spectators.

[+] jeromec|15 years ago|reply
Yeah, according to the author I guess Einstein was "winging it" too.
[+] vannevar|15 years ago|reply
Then I did it again with different code, without leveraging the existing user base, just to see if it was all luck.

Did you post it under a different name and account that none of your friends or contacts knew about? Just curious how you were able to be sure none of the existing user base or any of the notoriety you gained from the first hit contributed to the second.

[+] ctdonath|15 years ago|reply
"I decided to turn off the incessant trivial chatter on Twitter and TechCrunch, get my hands dirty, and just build something."

Hence this exchange a few days back: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2556295

    "He seems to leave virtually no trace (other than awesome software) on the Internet."

    "Probably because he spends his time writing awesome software."
[+] swanson|15 years ago|reply
I'm surprised this didn't get much of a response on HN - I really enjoyed the article. Very inspirational and candid.
[+] nicpottier|15 years ago|reply
Is it just me or is this perhaps taking the story of YouTube Instant a bit far?

I mean ya, I guess it got some press and got him a job offer, but it's not like he invented cold fusion or something. It was a cute idea. Can we really draw any kind of real conclusions from it?

Seems like that type of success, of a cute meme taking off is actually rather common, it is the longer term, build a sustainable company, king of success that is much more difficult.

PS. Hate the font formatting, ugh.

[+] ctdonath|15 years ago|reply
He's excited about how successful he can be when applying himself to an idea for a few hours.

Scale it to 10,000 hours (Gladwell's Rule for success).

And that to >100,000 hours (lifetime devotion to an idea by the hyper-successful).

The importance of learning enough to recognize an opportunity, searching for it, finding it, then tenaciously applying oneself to it for decades, is something not taught in schools (at least not well) - most have to figure it out or fall into it.

[+] tintin|15 years ago|reply
"PS. Hate the font formatting, ugh." Guess you meant the formatting on feross.org? At first I also thought 'ugh', but as UI it is great because it is very readable.
[+] spiffytech|15 years ago|reply
I'm surprised no one's brought up the counterexample of Steve Jobs. He turned Apple from an unknown garage startup to one of the industry's most powerful players in just a few short years.

When Jobs was ousted, Apple went to the dumpster. When he returned, Apple once again rose to great success. Jobs was directly responsible for enough wildly successful products to make probably any other company or inventor in history green with envy.

It would be silly to claim that Apple's success is due to blind luck. Jobs' relationship with Apple and Apple's products appears causal and has been repeated in different market environments with vastly different product lines, which flatly contradicts the idea that _all_ successful people wing it and succeed based on luck.

Sure, some people succeed on accident. Some people succeed because they have real talent and just happen to get publicity at the right time. But some people succeed on purpose.

[+] thewisedude|15 years ago|reply
Your claim that most people who hit success dont have product vision may be true. Even though this might not be quantifiable, I get a similar idea from what I read. But I definitely think that it is not as uncommon as you think among Fortune 500 companies. I would think Bill gates( controversies/ethical questions apart) had a great vision. The reason why I say this is, I could say cancel a trip to Bahamas hoping to build something and see if I make it big. However, I would probably not drop out of a prestigious school to build something unless I am dead sure it will be a success. Obviously I am talking about Bill here.
[+] FeelsGoodMan69|15 years ago|reply
What's with all the bold and italics? I feel like I'm being yelled at in the face.
[+] kakashi_|15 years ago|reply
Are you still reading Hacker News? Didn't you get it?
[+] tintin|15 years ago|reply
One think I'm missing in this story: You have to know what you are doing to have some luck in doing what you do.
[+] taphangum|15 years ago|reply
One of the best articles on hn this year.
[+] hugh3|15 years ago|reply
The grammar of this headline really bugs me. The author correctly remembers that "None of us" is singular, but then spoils it by throwing in the plural "we're".

The correct version would, I think, be "None of us knows what he's doing", although both the feminists and the languagelog folks would complain about that.

[+] premchai21|15 years ago|reply
Are you sure about “none” being singular in that context? I agree that the title is inconsistent, but I'd have written “None of us know what we're doing” (if I couldn't just pick some other phrasing).

gcide defines “none” as “No one; not one; not anything; – frequently used also partitively, or as a plural, not any.” and also offers “None of their productions are extant. –Blair”, both purportedly from 1913 Webster. So it seems that the pronoun can be interpreted in either number as needed.

[+] jacobolus|15 years ago|reply
From the New Oxford American Dictionary:

USAGE It is sometimes held that none can take only a singular verb, never a plural verb: : none of them is coming tonight, rather than : none of them are coming tonight. There is little justification, historical or grammatical, for this view. None is descended from Old English nān, meaning ‘not one,’ and has been used for around a thousand years with both a singular and a plural verb, depending on the context and the emphasis needed.

You’re right though that it’s weird to mix both singular and plural verbs for the same subject.

[+] Johngibb|15 years ago|reply
How about "None of us knows what they're doing"? Hasn't it become generally accepted that 'they' can be used as a gender neutral singular pronoun?
[+] tomjen3|15 years ago|reply
Does this matter? Just let it slide, otherwise.
[+] arapidhs|15 years ago|reply
The internet is so unpredictable.
[+] Helianthus|15 years ago|reply
Well, yeah.

No one knows what they're doing. They only have the appearance by doing the sensible thing and doing the best they can.

The result is that in reality a lot of people know what they're doing; but they're still resting on that cardinal assumption:

whatever you're doing, it could fall to pieces. Even the most egotistical hacker, in his/her private moments, acknowledges the chaos of the universe.