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hordeallergy | 5 years ago

Why not just have casual conversations instead? Standups are one those things that people disagree on endlessly without discussing context - their worth depends on the team. On my current team they're worthless. I'd rather have casual conversation, but that's like squeezing blood from a stone. Departure planning underway.

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ozim|5 years ago

It should be, but not everyone on the team has to be confident. Not everyone has to be outspoken, not everyone has to have perfect pronunciation. Not everyone is able to structure their thoughts in 1 minute, even though they are able to work on complex systems.

What you want from "what you did yesterday, blockers, what you will do today" script is a framework for conversation starter, conversation scope and having something that you can prepare before. Some people can come up with it on the spot and some people think they should come up with it on the spot.

That is why I hate having standup right at the start of the day like 9.00, I usually have to get at least 20 mins to get check up what I finished yesterday and start picking up something new, going through priorities.

OJFord|5 years ago

Personally I'd like a stand-up where it's ok not to have anything to say, like yeah, WIP, no problems, no blockers (except being here talking about it instead of doing it..!) etc.

Fully agree I would prefer it later. Not just 20min, I typically start ~1h before ours anyway, but it hangs over me all that time. I'd like to spend most of the day working on something and then stand-up in the afternoon, I'd be more likely to have an issue someone could help me with, or otherwise on my mind to discuss.

_y5hn|5 years ago

Careful what you wish for. In open landscapes and in meetings with business side, there's endless pointless chatter about everything else but doing their job. I'm not a devotee to overwork and squeezing blood out of stone type of worker. However, the directionless chatter, general incompetence, lack of inquisitiveness and awareness become energy-draining over time.

Status report is when a team say the same things every day and every week, nothing changes and there's nothing new to be learned. This is Waste.

Daily scrum is meant to encourage collaboration, inspiration and brief sharing of information. However, when driven by business needs alone, it becomes another pointless status report. On the flip side, if daily scrum takes off, it should be allowed to continue as a new meeting afterwards, but is also a sign that there's not enough coherency in the group with the current practice.

kenhwang|5 years ago

Some people just don't like casual conversation and wouldn't initiate conversation on their own. If you have enough of those types, no communication wold happen. Ad-hoc conversation tends to be interruptive which is not desirable for people on maker schedules.

Either way, standups is just one communication strategy. Pick the communication strategy that works with the style your team feels comfortable with. There's rarely one solution fits all when it comes to communication.

projectileboy|5 years ago

It’s a good question that every team should ask themselves rather than just blindly follow some scrum book. One reason that standups can be worthwhile is if your product managers are hard to get a hold of (which is common), it’s a guaranteed time when you can ask them some questions. But your mileage may vary.

BurningFrog|5 years ago

> Why not just have casual conversations instead?

Scheduling it daily is how you have these casual conversations.