I am up past my bedtime typing on hacker news just to mega-disagree about the goldtouch keyboard, of which I own multiple and have used exclusively for over 10 years to manage serious RSI which has left me debilitated at times and will probably never resolve fully. The goldtouch is a fantastic ergonomic keyboard. I’m sure others are just as good or better and didn’t object to the authors criticisms until s/he suggested a better alternative to the goldtouch is the Kenesis freestyle which does not tent, the main reason I use the goldtouch.
This makes me wonder if the author is concerned about ergonomics and functionality or just quirkiness. The fact that he dumps all “mass market” keyboards (ie the majority of those people actually use) into one bucket in order to highlight a half dozen impractical lookalikes where someone basically just took a keyboard and cut it in half was the first thing that had me scratching my head.
An interesting collection of oddities but not a sound product guide IMO.
I'm the author of the submitted site (although "remixer+maintainer" is more accurate – there was an older list [1] which I updated and converted to a gallery with filters). I'm not the author of the Goldtouch review [2] which I (indirectly) link to.
A search for "best ergonomic keyboard" or similar returns articles from the New York Times, Forbes, etc [3]. These usually cover mass-produced rubber-dome ergonomic keyboards – the Microsoft Sculpt, Goldtouch, and so on. I didn't feel any need to duplicate this, though I will reconsider.
This site shows mechanical split keyboards. Some of these are under the "mass produced" filter: the Kinesis and Ergodox etc. The intention is to show options your IT department should be willing to buy. It's not in any way intended to demean these products!
I think the Kenesis Freestyle (all variants) does tent? It's just an optional add-on, not part of the base kit.
And I assumed having the mass-market ones grouped was mostly intended to let you filter the other ones out (assuming you're trying to buy one, and not just read about wacky historical curiousities). At least how I used it when recently exploring this market (in the end I decided to stick with my Kinesis Advantage, though I did buy some new keys and o-rings to reduce noise slightly)
edit: after looking for the Goldtouch review, I now understand what you mean. It's grouped under the the list of standard options that he has reviews for, not called out on it's own. But if it is basically just an inferior version of anothere near identical product, then I guess that's fair enough.
I'll add a dissenting voice. The only thing good about the goldtouch is the tenting. Which is brilliant, I'll concede. You can make it both tented, but also flat and split for a change.
But the goldtouch involves So. Much. Chording. I have the v1, which makes it worse. The windows key is way the fuck to the left, making constant stretches necessary. Plus the fact that the thumb keys can only press space is a major ergonomic negative. It's also a membrane keyboard, meaning bottoming out all the time is required.
It's a decent keyboard, and I'm glad it works well for you, but it isn't really god's gift to humanity either.
The only truth about ergonomics is that everyone needs different things.
I used a goldtouch for years to manage some early RSI symptoms. In the beginning it helped a lot, but later my symptoms changed a bit and it stopped helping. Elevating my wrists to reach the tenting position was causing more problems then the keyboard was helping. I switched over to a Kinesis and it has helped me tremendously.
It probably still works for some people! I know we have some Microsoft ergonomic keyboard fans on this site, so maybe the author shouldn't poo-poo so many of these.
Every time I change job I bring my own with me, or persuade the company to buy me one. I did experiment with an actually-split keyboard back in the late 90s; two pieces joined by a short cable, but it was really difficult to use and so I gave up on it almost immediately. My memory was that there was only a short/stubby space-bar on the left-half of the keyboard too.
(I'm a touch typist, and I definitely use both thumbs for pressing the space bar. Albeit I use my dominant hand most of the time.)
I’ve used this for almost 8 years now, and it’s both easy to bring with on a trip, and comfortable at home. Is this the Goldtouch you’re talking about?
Cool site. I didn't notice this much selection last year. I just ended buying a Kinesis Advantage 2.
I'm very happy with the advantage 2. I'm curious about boards with smaller keys, more compact layout, or extra keys in the same space.
The advantage 2 gives you easy access to the arrow keys with no loss of access to other keys. Eliminates the whole efficient arrow usage problem, or gives you more keys for commands if you use hjkl.
The advantage 2 is not a be all end all fix for hand / wrist pain. Consider starting a hand/wrist exercise regime if you have pain first. It could help enough to not need to buy a board.
I like the idea of a split keyboard, but I've never been able to go down that road because I sometimes hit keys with the "wrong" finger - most notably, I need to be able to hit B with my right hand because it's down-left in roguelikes (i.e. Nethack).
What I'd love to see is a "106% keyboard", where a couple columns are duplicated on both the left/right side. Does anybody make such a keyboard?
The idea isn't entirely new. The TGR Alice is a popular board that has two b keys [0].
The more straightforward approach to get a full extra column would be to just grab a keyboard that already has 7+ columns per side (ie the chimera[1]) and repurpose those to be duplicate keys.
.. or you could just switch and fix your bad behaviors.
I would say that as a daily Advantage user for right about 20 years, it's not a keyboard to play games with and it's not a keyboard to use for a very heavy kb+mouse software situation (like cad or photoshop). In those situations you often keep your dominant hand on your mouse at all times and your non-dominant glued to the keyboard. For those situations I have a fairly standard 65% board on my desk. But for coding, emails, etc. That all happens on the advantage.
> What I'd love to see is a "106% keyboard", where a couple columns are duplicated on both the left/right side. Does anybody make such a keyboard?
I've seen some where the '6' is present on both the left and right-hand side of a split keyboard but '6' is really the one and only key on which there can be a disagreement as to where is the correct placement.
On non-staggered keyboard the '6' is, of course, on the right hand side of the keyboard but on staggered split keyboard it is, very often, on the left hand side.
Most split keyboards in that gallery that do have a numbers row (ie 60% of more, not 40%) do have the '6' correctly located on the right hand side.
Yet most (not all) split-staggered keyboard have the '6' located on the left hand side of the keyboard.
People who learned to touch-type using the "6 with left hand" school have a very hard time adapting to an ortholinear split keyboard. While those who learned to touch-type using the "6 with the right hand" have a much easier time adapting to an ortholinear split keyboard.
On my keyboard, B is exactly equidistant between F and J so I couldn't even tell you which finger is correct for it. I wonder how it was decided which side it should go on in a split keyboard?
I hit air for the first week with a let's split, but it chilled out. I'm probably about as fast on a macbook keyboard two+ years on even though I use it way less.
So, this is one of those things that would likely be very painful for a short period of time as you adjust to typing on a split keyboard. I was the same way when I typed on a normal stagggered layout, but being completely unable to do that, brain relatively quickly adjusted to that change.
You can unlearn the habit with time. Also, I've played roguelikes (such as CDDA) using dvorak and no numpad. Even with the movement keys spread out, it's not bad. Helps that they're turn-based games. I remap all the keys in Minetest and Xonotic.
I wonder if anyone shares my setup. I lie horizontally with a monitor suspended 3ft directly above. I use a logitech trackball on my right hand at my side. I find this position comfortable for long hours and don't experience the backpain that I did for years.
One wrinkle is the keyboard - it rests on my upper thighs, and I find I'm rolling my shoulders forward to type which is less than ideal. I experimented with split keyboards but haven't found an ideal solution yet. A major problem is switching from the trackball back to the keyboard. Also needing to keep the trackball out wide to allow space for the split keyboard on my right side.
A friend of mine cut up her Kinesis Advantage to put a big trackball right in the middle. (There's enough space in the housing, especially if you are not afraid to cut and move the circuit board.)
A similar position might work for you?
I use a standing desk to be in a similar (but upright) position, because sitting is also bad for me.
Anybody have the moonlander and enjoy it? I currently have an ergodox infinity, and want something I can swap to Kailh Choc White switches. The layout and programming seems perfect for me, though I'm disappointing that it's still wired.
Those that aren't curved/concave miss a major comfort factor in my opinion.
My personal must-haves for a split keyboard:
- Concave/curved design.
- Thumb clusters.
- Vertical arranged key columns.
- Palm support.
- Fully customizable layout.
- Mechanical switches or anything similar with proper feedback for better typing, and also decent travel distance so it doesn't feel that you're knocking your fingertips on hard plastic all the time.
I realize I'm a little late to this party, but I thought I would try to ask anyway.
As someone who has used what is probably considered a mass market ergo split keyboard for a long time (10+ years), what would be a reasonable new one to try?
This is definitely better than a straight, standard keyboard for me, but it is not really good. The keys require too much activation force. I still have to bend my wrists a lot. Some keys are hard to reach.
What else can I try? I do not have RSI that I know of. I don't have pain. It is just not very good.
Anyway, I don't know if this is enough info for a recommendation.
I'm surprised the original[1] MS Natural Keyboard is not listed in the mass-market page. Maybe it's because it's not made anymore. I still have mine, it's years old, but it still works and I still love it, it seems to be the perfect angle for my hands.
I couldn't touch-type until I got a Microsoft Natural Keyboard (the very first version listed). Eventually I got its successor, the Elite, then the 4000. Interestingly enough, the touch-typing skills that I didn't develop until getting the MS Natural Keyboard translate back just fine to regular keyboards.
I switched to using a Kinesis Freestyle 2 with the tenting kit. It has made a big difference for me, a lot of the pain I was feeling when using other keyboards has gone away.
I am so intrigued by some of these minimalist keyboards. I tried to use a 60% keyboard but I found using the extra layers to be difficult to adjust to. On paper it sounds good, move your fingers less, just use a layer. But in practice it got old fast.
I never realized how often I needed to press the ` key until I started using a 60% keyboard.
After drooling over the idea of this for years, I finally pulled the trigger and bought one. But, my order was cancelled because Apple had just bought the company to work on gesture tech for the original iPhone.
I've used split keyboards for ages, and until recently had a Kinesis Gaming Edge that I really liked and still highly recommend. But what I found was that I was "freezing" while typing: instead of typing smoothly, it felt like every other sentence I'd pause for a sec and then keep going. After watching Thomas/chyrosran22's keyboard reviews on YouTube and his discussions of why ergo doesn't work for him, I realized why the 'freezing' was occurring: my brain was getting hooked when the key it wanted to hit was on the 'wrong' hand.
I switched recently to a Keychron K4 (with about half the switches swapped out) and am now just being more conscientious about keeping my wrists at a natural angle than I am about hitting keys with the right fingers. The result: no more freezing, my wrists are happier than ever, and I feel like my typing has gained 10wpm. I do miss the extra macro keys, though—might have to get a macro pad at some point...
Those more fancy, niche keyboards like Moonlander and UHK seem to offer great configurability, but simply have too few keys for me. My wrists like separate arrows, home, end, page up & down keys and not needing to change layers or press and hold four-key combinations :)
I was never taught how to type... I'm fast enough, 120-140wpm depending on the keyboard and what I'm typing. I think the speed came from playing online games and needing to communicate quickly before suffering the consequences of not controlling my character.
The end result is that I have a strange typing pattern and I use the "wrong" fingers for keys.
I share this experience and my typing on a normal keyboard is still only using a few fingers and moving them around all over the place. On a split keyboard even, i still 'misplace' some fingers because my pinky finger is so short i can't hit 'p' key comfortably with it.
Still, I think having a split keyboard has overall been a benefit to my typing experience and type faster on it than I could on a normal keyboard.
I'm personally thinking of getting a split keyboard soon, but I'm so split on what I want. Currently using a Preonic and find the ortholinear/compact layout fairly pleasant, so I might just want to get something like the Let's Split. Still, I can't decide if I'd prefer a board with thumb clusters and/or staggered rows (like the Ergodox).
I'd honestly be fine going back to a more traditional layout on a split keyboard (not ortholinear, punctuation keys in normal places, all that stuff), but I've been really unimpressed by what I've seen of those in terms of features. I really want QMK, and I'd also like boards that are flat/don't have a strong tilt since those tend to be a bad ergonomically (in fact, I'd ideally like optional negative tilting). I also want something that's relatively low profile, which is also tricky to find in my experience.
I wonder why people obsess so much with colorful keycaps and RGB lights. I suspect it's for aesthetic pleasure, not for enhanced ergonomics.
I got me a split keyboard so that I would never have to look at it. For me this is achieved by not moving the wrist, only moving the fingers. Then my hands do not slip and do not need vision-guided repositioning.
(My current keyboard is an Ergodox EZ, all black, no lights. It's fine enough, and thr ortholinear layout is very helpful, but the thumb cluster is clumsy, and the pinky columns are not staggered enough, so typing P or Q needs a wrist shift. I have 60g switches in the home row, so that fingers can rest on them without clicking, and 30g switches everywhere else. My plan is to build a Kyria which has a better geometry / ergonomics, so I made a Kyria-compatible layout to get used to it.)
The DataHand was the ultimate split keyboard innovation advancement short of implanting electrodes in your skull. It failed because of poor marketing and a ridiculous price (likely due to cost-inefficient engineering/manufacturing).
[+] [-] sequoia|5 years ago|reply
This makes me wonder if the author is concerned about ergonomics and functionality or just quirkiness. The fact that he dumps all “mass market” keyboards (ie the majority of those people actually use) into one bucket in order to highlight a half dozen impractical lookalikes where someone basically just took a keyboard and cut it in half was the first thing that had me scratching my head.
An interesting collection of oddities but not a sound product guide IMO.
[+] [-] Symbiote|5 years ago|reply
A search for "best ergonomic keyboard" or similar returns articles from the New York Times, Forbes, etc [3]. These usually cover mass-produced rubber-dome ergonomic keyboards – the Microsoft Sculpt, Goldtouch, and so on. I didn't feel any need to duplicate this, though I will reconsider.
This site shows mechanical split keyboards. Some of these are under the "mass produced" filter: the Kinesis and Ergodox etc. The intention is to show options your IT department should be willing to buy. It's not in any way intended to demean these products!
[1] https://github.com/diimdeep/awesome-split-keyboards
[2] http://xahlee.info/kbd/goldtouch_adjustable_keyboard.html
[3a] https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbes-personal-shopper/2020/07...
[3b] https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/comfortable-ergo-...
[+] [-] ZeroGravitas|5 years ago|reply
And I assumed having the mass-market ones grouped was mostly intended to let you filter the other ones out (assuming you're trying to buy one, and not just read about wacky historical curiousities). At least how I used it when recently exploring this market (in the end I decided to stick with my Kinesis Advantage, though I did buy some new keys and o-rings to reduce noise slightly)
edit: after looking for the Goldtouch review, I now understand what you mean. It's grouped under the the list of standard options that he has reviews for, not called out on it's own. But if it is basically just an inferior version of anothere near identical product, then I guess that's fair enough.
[+] [-] helmholtz|5 years ago|reply
But the goldtouch involves So. Much. Chording. I have the v1, which makes it worse. The windows key is way the fuck to the left, making constant stretches necessary. Plus the fact that the thumb keys can only press space is a major ergonomic negative. It's also a membrane keyboard, meaning bottoming out all the time is required.
It's a decent keyboard, and I'm glad it works well for you, but it isn't really god's gift to humanity either.
[+] [-] lostdog|5 years ago|reply
I used a goldtouch for years to manage some early RSI symptoms. In the beginning it helped a lot, but later my symptoms changed a bit and it stopped helping. Elevating my wrists to reach the tenting position was causing more problems then the keyboard was helping. I switched over to a Kinesis and it has helped me tremendously.
It probably still works for some people! I know we have some Microsoft ergonomic keyboard fans on this site, so maybe the author shouldn't poo-poo so many of these.
[+] [-] maurys|5 years ago|reply
FWIW, I absolutely love the kinesis. I have 2 pairs and the older one is 4+ years old.
It helped me hugely with RSI around my wrist and fingers.
The other thing which really helped was classic strength training at a gym :-)
[+] [-] stevekemp|5 years ago|reply
http://xahlee.info/kbd/microsoft_ergonomic_keyboard.html
Every time I change job I bring my own with me, or persuade the company to buy me one. I did experiment with an actually-split keyboard back in the late 90s; two pieces joined by a short cable, but it was really difficult to use and so I gave up on it almost immediately. My memory was that there was only a short/stubby space-bar on the left-half of the keyboard too.
(I'm a touch typist, and I definitely use both thumbs for pressing the space bar. Albeit I use my dominant hand most of the time.)
[+] [-] karmelapple|5 years ago|reply
Goldtouch GTP-0044 Go!2 Mobile Keyboard, Portable Foldable Travel Keyboard with USB https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DT73FVM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_...
[+] [-] srcreigh|5 years ago|reply
I'm very happy with the advantage 2. I'm curious about boards with smaller keys, more compact layout, or extra keys in the same space.
The advantage 2 gives you easy access to the arrow keys with no loss of access to other keys. Eliminates the whole efficient arrow usage problem, or gives you more keys for commands if you use hjkl.
The advantage 2 is not a be all end all fix for hand / wrist pain. Consider starting a hand/wrist exercise regime if you have pain first. It could help enough to not need to buy a board.
https://youtu.be/EiRC80FJbHU
[+] [-] leg100|5 years ago|reply
I really liked the arrow key placement though. They are badly placed on mainstream keyboards for touch typists.
[+] [-] eru|5 years ago|reply
The old Advantage has served me well, but it's USB implementation seems to interact really badly with some modern laptops.
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[+] [-] salted-fry|5 years ago|reply
What I'd love to see is a "106% keyboard", where a couple columns are duplicated on both the left/right side. Does anybody make such a keyboard?
[+] [-] trufas|5 years ago|reply
The more straightforward approach to get a full extra column would be to just grab a keyboard that already has 7+ columns per side (ie the chimera[1]) and repurpose those to be duplicate keys.
[0] https://i.redd.it/9kyeyht1eqy11.jpg
[1] https://github.com/GlenPickle/Chimera
[+] [-] mamcx|5 years ago|reply
https://imgur.com/a/By9YN2q
Is made on wood, to being on the style of MS Ergo but not curved (yet I think it feel nice as is).
[+] [-] eru|5 years ago|reply
For Nethack and games in general, I have a cheap 'normal' keyboard.
[+] [-] sleepybrett|5 years ago|reply
I would say that as a daily Advantage user for right about 20 years, it's not a keyboard to play games with and it's not a keyboard to use for a very heavy kb+mouse software situation (like cad or photoshop). In those situations you often keep your dominant hand on your mouse at all times and your non-dominant glued to the keyboard. For those situations I have a fairly standard 65% board on my desk. But for coding, emails, etc. That all happens on the advantage.
[+] [-] TacticalCoder|5 years ago|reply
I've seen some where the '6' is present on both the left and right-hand side of a split keyboard but '6' is really the one and only key on which there can be a disagreement as to where is the correct placement.
On non-staggered keyboard the '6' is, of course, on the right hand side of the keyboard but on staggered split keyboard it is, very often, on the left hand side.
Most split keyboards in that gallery that do have a numbers row (ie 60% of more, not 40%) do have the '6' correctly located on the right hand side.
Yet most (not all) split-staggered keyboard have the '6' located on the left hand side of the keyboard.
People who learned to touch-type using the "6 with left hand" school have a very hard time adapting to an ortholinear split keyboard. While those who learned to touch-type using the "6 with the right hand" have a much easier time adapting to an ortholinear split keyboard.
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For about a week I was smashing the blank space between the halves but then it just suddenly clicked and I’ve been fine since.
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[+] [-] workingonmyback|5 years ago|reply
One wrinkle is the keyboard - it rests on my upper thighs, and I find I'm rolling my shoulders forward to type which is less than ideal. I experimented with split keyboards but haven't found an ideal solution yet. A major problem is switching from the trackball back to the keyboard. Also needing to keep the trackball out wide to allow space for the split keyboard on my right side.
[+] [-] eru|5 years ago|reply
A similar position might work for you?
I use a standing desk to be in a similar (but upright) position, because sitting is also bad for me.
[+] [-] blhack|5 years ago|reply
I have a keyboardio model 01(this: https://shop.keyboard.io/collections/model-01-keycaps/produc...)
And even this feels like I'm having to function dive into weird chords of keys to get some of the functionality that I want (arrow keys, mostly).
Are people just not actually writing code with these ultra minimalist things?
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[+] [-] stunt|5 years ago|reply
My personal must-haves for a split keyboard:
- Concave/curved design.
- Thumb clusters.
- Vertical arranged key columns.
- Palm support.
- Fully customizable layout.
- Mechanical switches or anything similar with proper feedback for better typing, and also decent travel distance so it doesn't feel that you're knocking your fingertips on hard plastic all the time.
[+] [-] still_grokking|5 years ago|reply
But they are (almost) only available with those bulky, loud, (imho) hard to use, "clicky" mechanical keys.
It's a pity nobody is building such a thing like https://github.com/JesusFreke/lalboard with keys like https://www.r-go-tools.com/products/ergonomic-keyboards/r-go...
[+] [-] checkyoursudo|5 years ago|reply
As someone who has used what is probably considered a mass market ergo split keyboard for a long time (10+ years), what would be a reasonable new one to try?
This is definitely better than a straight, standard keyboard for me, but it is not really good. The keys require too much activation force. I still have to bend my wrists a lot. Some keys are hard to reach.
What else can I try? I do not have RSI that I know of. I don't have pain. It is just not very good.
Anyway, I don't know if this is enough info for a recommendation.
[+] [-] LeoPanthera|5 years ago|reply
Even though it is absolutely enormous.
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_ergonomic_keyboards#...
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[+] [-] regus|5 years ago|reply
I am so intrigued by some of these minimalist keyboards. I tried to use a 60% keyboard but I found using the extra layers to be difficult to adjust to. On paper it sounds good, move your fingers less, just use a layer. But in practice it got old fast.
I never realized how often I needed to press the ` key until I started using a 60% keyboard.
[+] [-] corysama|5 years ago|reply
After drooling over the idea of this for years, I finally pulled the trigger and bought one. But, my order was cancelled because Apple had just bought the company to work on gesture tech for the original iPhone.
[+] [-] castillar76|5 years ago|reply
I switched recently to a Keychron K4 (with about half the switches swapped out) and am now just being more conscientious about keeping my wrists at a natural angle than I am about hitting keys with the right fingers. The result: no more freezing, my wrists are happier than ever, and I feel like my typing has gained 10wpm. I do miss the extra macro keys, though—might have to get a macro pad at some point...
[+] [-] dr_kiszonka|5 years ago|reply
Have you seen any keyboard with a similar layout to Kinesis Edge but with attachments similar to those that UHK has (https://ultimatehackingkeyboard.com/product/keycluster).
Those more fancy, niche keyboards like Moonlander and UHK seem to offer great configurability, but simply have too few keys for me. My wrists like separate arrows, home, end, page up & down keys and not needing to change layers or press and hold four-key combinations :)
[+] [-] kowlo|5 years ago|reply
The end result is that I have a strange typing pattern and I use the "wrong" fingers for keys.
[+] [-] com2kid|5 years ago|reply
(I also hit 'a' with my left thumb...)
My pinkies are completely unused, except for right pinky on enter.
No idea how well I'd adapt to 'proper' typing!
(After all these years, my left thumb is notably more flexible than my right!)
[+] [-] least|5 years ago|reply
Still, I think having a split keyboard has overall been a benefit to my typing experience and type faster on it than I could on a normal keyboard.
[+] [-] avolcano|5 years ago|reply
I'm personally thinking of getting a split keyboard soon, but I'm so split on what I want. Currently using a Preonic and find the ortholinear/compact layout fairly pleasant, so I might just want to get something like the Let's Split. Still, I can't decide if I'd prefer a board with thumb clusters and/or staggered rows (like the Ergodox).
I'd honestly be fine going back to a more traditional layout on a split keyboard (not ortholinear, punctuation keys in normal places, all that stuff), but I've been really unimpressed by what I've seen of those in terms of features. I really want QMK, and I'd also like boards that are flat/don't have a strong tilt since those tend to be a bad ergonomically (in fact, I'd ideally like optional negative tilting). I also want something that's relatively low profile, which is also tricky to find in my experience.
[+] [-] nine_k|5 years ago|reply
I got me a split keyboard so that I would never have to look at it. For me this is achieved by not moving the wrist, only moving the fingers. Then my hands do not slip and do not need vision-guided repositioning.
(My current keyboard is an Ergodox EZ, all black, no lights. It's fine enough, and thr ortholinear layout is very helpful, but the thumb cluster is clumsy, and the pinky columns are not staggered enough, so typing P or Q needs a wrist shift. I have 60g switches in the home row, so that fingers can rest on them without clicking, and 30g switches everywhere else. My plan is to build a Kyria which has a better geometry / ergonomics, so I made a Kyria-compatible layout to get used to it.)
[+] [-] nikkaelle|5 years ago|reply
I agree on the pinky column not being staggered enough.
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[+] [-] alexvoda|5 years ago|reply
https://github.com/diimdeep/awesome-split-keyboards
It was also featured in HN here:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25922698
It appears to have extra keyboards.
However several are not properly tagged because they were missing when I used the filters.
This initially made me think the gallery was incomplete before I realized it is a fork of the other gallery.