If you have two choices, namely no money and some money and you must have money to eat then you don't have two choices. There is no choice, because the other platforms are far too small to compete. What should arguably happen more is uploading to more than one location, but searching for youtube alternatives is almost impossible (at least if you want one that actually has some potential. There is a ton of trash).
I've been using Nebula more frequently. Only one monthly payment for the whole platform, zero ads. A lot of my favorite YouTube content creators have been uploading their videos there too. And not just uploading the same videos, but higher-quality ones. For example, they're more free to use copyrighted material fairly when doing content criticism, knowing that they're not going to get automatically flagged/demonetized even when they're within their rights.
(If someone from Nebula reads this: My only complaint is a lack of a Roku app, which is where I consume most of my content in the living room any more. Please make this happen!)
I'm on the opposite side, I love what Youtube has become, and Youtube Premium is givinge lots of value.
Sure, I'm not happy about authors optimizing for some alforithms, like increasing playtime, allowing thumbnails that have nothing to do with content, and heavy moderation of important words (like COVID), but I live with it.
I worked with a large media company a few years ago on a product like this; long story short YouTube pays the big content creators to stay on YT. Getting a critical mass of content that’s not also available on YouTube is a problem, because you need content to draw an audience and creators don’t want to do a bunch of extra work for no exposure — YouTube is only one revenue stream for the top stars, but it gets them the publicity to monetize their image in other ways on other platforms. So there’s an opportunity cost to using another platform.
I think floatplane by itself never wants to compete with Youtube, they know they can't scale that much and just want to provide creators with a second option for supporters. If LTT were to disappear from Youtube I bet they'd still find some way to provide a free way to access their videos, even if on another provider.
> but the creators are still there by choice so the viewers are as well.
Not really. Network effects keep them all there whether they like it or not. The creators need their work viewed, and that happens where there are both creators and viewers, which is Youtube.
I wonder if Netflix will ever move in this space: they already have a backend and audience, and could vet creators before accepting them on the platform, just another kind of Original Content except it costs less to produce.
>I wonder if Netflix will ever move in this space: [...], and could vet creators before accepting them on the platform
But vetting creators doesn't address the fundamental issue causing the creator's temporary shutdown: security heuristics used to flag unauthorized/compromised access is very hard
Similar examples I've personally experienced across other domains:
- Citi credit-card blocks my card when I was on vacation in Canada and tried to buy shoes from the store.
- Chase Bank locks all my online accounts from any logins when I try to transfer $20 to a friend's bank account. The only way to unlock it was to drive to a physical branch and present 2 forms of ID. Even after the bank employee unlocked the account, the effect wasn't immediate and was still locked for several hours. I then retried the exact same $20 bank transfer and it worked.
- Rackspace hosted email service locks out my coworker's email account (that's on my paid plan) because of suspicious activity. It turns out her laptop had a hidden virus that compromised her email account and was sending out spam.
Other than the Rackspace example, the false-positives are inevitable because no heuristic to detect unusual behavior is perfect. Netflix would also have the same false-positives and lock/shutdown creators channels which triggers similar headlines: "Netflix shutdown my channel..."
To point back to your idea, I was already vetted by my bank with physical forms of ID when I there to sign papers and open the account -- and yet they still locked me out years later for suspicious activity. You see how vetting doesn't really solve this Youtuber's problem?
Seems like the issue was caused by logging into their Google account from a new geographical region. I've had my personal Google account locked a few times because of this, it's pretty annoying. Especially because I already have 2FA enabled.
They should invest in a mechanism to allow you to train the heuristics in advance. If the heuristic knows that location A is a location you normally login from and location B is not but you could tell it in advance "I'm going to travel to location B on date X for duration Y" it would have the extra necessary information to know that this activity is normal and not suspicious.
It's unlikely to change because it costs them less to automate (even if it's far from perfect) and manually deal with errors that happen to people with enough reach to cause bad PR than to have staff.
It has been clear for a long time that big tech companies do not care about customer support. It's something that just cannot be done without having personnel propositional to your userbase.
When a YouTube employee censors a channel erroneously, is there ever any repercussions for that employee? It seems like the content moderators are very knee-jerk, without much consequence.
That does not accurately model the world we live in. Responsibility is diffused to people across organisational boundaries, and victims are even conditioned to blame "the algorithm".
Watch the video. They state that they had MFA turned on before, and that they renewed their password and MFA within five minutes after the supposed security breach.
[+] [-] tobyhinloopen|5 years ago|reply
FloatPlane is too expensive (I don’t want to pay per channel). Vessel was great but it’s gone.
I’m fine with paying for videos, but there’s just no platform like Netflix for random creators
[+] [-] krageon|5 years ago|reply
If you have two choices, namely no money and some money and you must have money to eat then you don't have two choices. There is no choice, because the other platforms are far too small to compete. What should arguably happen more is uploading to more than one location, but searching for youtube alternatives is almost impossible (at least if you want one that actually has some potential. There is a ton of trash).
[+] [-] creativeembassy|5 years ago|reply
(If someone from Nebula reads this: My only complaint is a lack of a Roku app, which is where I consume most of my content in the living room any more. Please make this happen!)
[+] [-] xiphias2|5 years ago|reply
Sure, I'm not happy about authors optimizing for some alforithms, like increasing playtime, allowing thumbnails that have nothing to do with content, and heavy moderation of important words (like COVID), but I live with it.
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[+] [-] tablespoon|5 years ago|reply
Not really. Network effects keep them all there whether they like it or not. The creators need their work viewed, and that happens where there are both creators and viewers, which is Youtube.
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But vetting creators doesn't address the fundamental issue causing the creator's temporary shutdown: security heuristics used to flag unauthorized/compromised access is very hard
Similar examples I've personally experienced across other domains:
- Citi credit-card blocks my card when I was on vacation in Canada and tried to buy shoes from the store.
- Chase Bank locks all my online accounts from any logins when I try to transfer $20 to a friend's bank account. The only way to unlock it was to drive to a physical branch and present 2 forms of ID. Even after the bank employee unlocked the account, the effect wasn't immediate and was still locked for several hours. I then retried the exact same $20 bank transfer and it worked.
- Rackspace hosted email service locks out my coworker's email account (that's on my paid plan) because of suspicious activity. It turns out her laptop had a hidden virus that compromised her email account and was sending out spam.
Other than the Rackspace example, the false-positives are inevitable because no heuristic to detect unusual behavior is perfect. Netflix would also have the same false-positives and lock/shutdown creators channels which triggers similar headlines: "Netflix shutdown my channel..."
To point back to your idea, I was already vetted by my bank with physical forms of ID when I there to sign papers and open the account -- and yet they still locked me out years later for suspicious activity. You see how vetting doesn't really solve this Youtuber's problem?
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If I were them, I,d be investing in the latter.
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