If you’re an American developer looking to move abroad, a much better plan would be to first pick up a remote gig with an American company, and then move overseas. Your take home pay will be easily triple what you can negotiate from a European company.
This site takes the opposite approach of finding positions at EU shops that will handle relocation and visas. That certainly helps get you situated, but they’ll likely expect a long term commitment. And long term, you’ll leave a ton of money on the table.
I expect that’s why the jobs listed on this site don’t reveal salaries. It would kinda take the wind out of the idea if they had to tell you that none of these jobs pay more than $50k.
Ps. Still go through! It’s really nice over here. Just make sure you get the best deal for yourself.
Please do a thorough analysis before moving abroad.
Many European countries have free healthcare, childcare and education on the other hand 1500$ might not cover the rent if you want something in the middle of the city of the expensive countries!
Taxes are widely different too.
Some of my friends lived in US when they where fresh graduates and moved back when they started having families because it was too expensive to get a relatively good education for their children among other things. I doubt all HackerNews kids will end up in MIT so compare the schools of where they are likely to end up. Check happiness levels too just for good measure.
I say this as an European that will move out of Europe to a country that fits me and my family more and that has made us happier (SF and NY at least is not for us, would like to see LA and Texas some day).
The devil, as always, is in the details, and everyone is different.
I don't know all the visa rules, of course. But if you're looking to relocate, you usually needs a visa, or some sort of citizenship. Sponsoring yourself isn't always an option, or might be fairly expensive.
The easiest way to relocate is usually to find a company that can sponsor your visa application, so that you're legally staying in the country, and can enjoy all the public services.
"It would kinda take the wind out of the idea if they had to tell you that none of these jobs pay more than $50k." That's around 41k€. What country are you from?
These numbers are certainly way off for Frankfurt and other bigger German cities. We pay around 45k€ for a junior (!) developer and we're a pre-market startup and I know for a fact that this is a bit lower than the market standard.
Why is no one mentioning buying power as proper means to compare salaries? Also the health care stuff, rent, owning a car, retirement plans, all these things are widely different in cost and what you actually need. No one needs a car if you live in a city like Frankfurt for example. This all depends heavily on the country and region.
If you haven't thought of these things yet, you might think a bit about moving to a different country, because otherwise you'll be disappointed.
European here, i have yet to see a tech job with only 50k salary. Maybe after European and US taxes are deducted, but here in switzerland you can easily earn more than in the us, especially if you consider the cost of living compared to ex. silicon valley or new york
How can there still be these huge gaps in salary between Europe and the US ?
You would expect US Tech giants to come in and swoop all the top local talent, thus raising overall demand.
Hello, everyone! It’s Andrew, founder of Relocate.me.
In a nutshell, Relocate.me is a one-stop platform for tech professionals who are willing to relocate for work.
Since launching Relocate.me on Hacker News over 3 years ago (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15922401), a lot has changed, and I’m excited to finally introduce Relocate.me 3.0 with a batch of new features and enhancements:
1) Learning center (https://relocate.me/learning-center): A treasure trove of useful information and practical advice on finding employment abroad.
2) Companies (https://relocate.me/companies): A handpicked list of tech companies hiring internationally; you can filter companies by country.
Legit question, how many people are being relocated currently? I would have thought Corona would have really messed up your flow but I keep getting emails from you guys with jobs so I assume it's still happening.
I’ve noticed that projects like this primarily focus on recruiting for software roles (which is understandable if they are shared here), but what are the roadblocks to listing traditional engineering roles (mechanical, electrical, etc). Lack of exposure to those industries (understandable)? Companies not offering relevant positions?
I know that there are state level taxes as well in the US. Can this be included in the calculator?
Also I wonder what the difference in disposable income would be given something like (typical) health insurance, food prices, and housing per state/area
Andrew, it would be interesting to hear a bit about the founding story. One question I'd like to ask is how did you acquire the customers in the early days? What was the plan for that and what actually worked?
Been looking for a country where I can seek permanent residence status (and maybe, later, citizenship) with my family without having to give up my 1099 (contractor) US remote job and find something local (no, I'm not trying to dodge taxes, and I'd fully expect to pay normal taxes on that income for wherever I ended up). Coming from the US (all of us are native-born citizens).
It's been tricky. I get why there's not some kind of policy or program in place, since that's a pretty niche circumstance, but I don't see how it wouldn't be a good thing for whichever country I'd end up in. I don't make SV-bucks but I make more than I'd easily be able to in, say, Canada, and I'd be spending that money and paying taxes in the new country (I'm not at a level of income where I'd get double-taxed by the US, though I'd have to file there). At the same time, having to job-hunt and probably take a pay cut to find a job before we even move would suck, since I already have a job I like, that's fully remote.
Anyone got any helpful info on that situation, that I may not have come across elsewhere?
If you're interested in the EU, there are treaties like the Dutch-American Friendship Treaty that allow you to get on the path towards permanent residence for a modest investment, assuming you're already self-employed.
If you are American citizen, just be aware of FBAR and FACTA.
You can reduce your US taxes, but not really, because then you have to pay local taxes. Also, your tax reporting requirements go up.
I have exactly the same solution. Job I like, fully remote, place I want to move to (with family) and seek permanent residence status outside the US, don't want to cheat taxes. I'd love some info on how to make this happen.
It would be nice to see more details about salaries. Its hard enough to know pay rates in your own city. I have no idea if Finland pays enough to make it worth it.
Language is a big issue too, are they all English speaking offices?
Cool project! I'd be interested in relocating to Singapore, but there's only one position listed (and that position provides no relocation package info). I'm sure the slim pickings can be explained by covid, but what did offerings look like before the health crisis? Do you have snapshots or stats on how many you've assisted in relocation?
I've been thinking of relocating for a while, but also feel a sort of guilt about it. I must admit that the main reason for my doing it is that I feel increasingly disillusioned with the United States, where the paths of both the "left" and the "right" seem equally disappointing. There is a deep sense of social malaise that I feel, while here, and I cannot help but attribute it to that form of neoliberalism that is spreading across the world. And so I feel that my migration would be not so different than the spread of a pestilence of sorts, infecting what I hope will save me.
I am reminded of Society of the Spectacle, specifically thesis 165.
165 Capitalist production has unified space, breaking down the boundaries between one society
and the next. This unification is at the same time an extensive and intensive process of banalization.
Just as the accumulation of commodities mass-produced for the abstract space of the market
shattered all regional and legal barriers and all the Medieval corporative restrictions that maintained
the quality of craft production, it also undermined the autonomy and quality of places. This
homogenizing power is the heavy artillery that has battered down all the walls of China.
If those are your reasons then realistically I don't think you'll be happy with relocation to anywhere on Earth. The best you could do is to get a short term visa to a country with a different culture - enjoy the first few months, and get back before you discover the same (or a different type of) social malaise :)
The fact of the matter is there’s no running away from what happens in the US. Many people leave really good socialists countries because they are basically bored or not challenged enough; so if you want exciting career US is still the best bet. Also whatever happens in the US bleeds slowly everywhere, it’s the vanguard. Don’t forget the grass is always greener on the other side: you’re either looking at a third world country or a place that’s paradoxicall Even worse housing wise than the US.
I would curious if anyone has heard of any relocation activity to the EU happening during the last year given the Covid situation and restrictions. It looks like there's a fair amount of posts for Germany and the Netherland for instance.
Yes. The main difference, other than the worse job market, are a few days quarantene in some countries. Plenty of people are relocating to switzerland right now
[+] [-] jasonkester|5 years ago|reply
This site takes the opposite approach of finding positions at EU shops that will handle relocation and visas. That certainly helps get you situated, but they’ll likely expect a long term commitment. And long term, you’ll leave a ton of money on the table.
I expect that’s why the jobs listed on this site don’t reveal salaries. It would kinda take the wind out of the idea if they had to tell you that none of these jobs pay more than $50k.
Ps. Still go through! It’s really nice over here. Just make sure you get the best deal for yourself.
[+] [-] danielscrubs|5 years ago|reply
Many European countries have free healthcare, childcare and education on the other hand 1500$ might not cover the rent if you want something in the middle of the city of the expensive countries!
Taxes are widely different too.
Some of my friends lived in US when they where fresh graduates and moved back when they started having families because it was too expensive to get a relatively good education for their children among other things. I doubt all HackerNews kids will end up in MIT so compare the schools of where they are likely to end up. Check happiness levels too just for good measure.
I say this as an European that will move out of Europe to a country that fits me and my family more and that has made us happier (SF and NY at least is not for us, would like to see LA and Texas some day).
The devil, as always, is in the details, and everyone is different.
[+] [-] woutr_be|5 years ago|reply
The easiest way to relocate is usually to find a company that can sponsor your visa application, so that you're legally staying in the country, and can enjoy all the public services.
[+] [-] CalRobert|5 years ago|reply
It's also really hard to go back after five to ten years where you've made 500k+ less than your peers.
Lovely place though!
[+] [-] RamblingCTO|5 years ago|reply
Why is no one mentioning buying power as proper means to compare salaries? Also the health care stuff, rent, owning a car, retirement plans, all these things are widely different in cost and what you actually need. No one needs a car if you live in a city like Frankfurt for example. This all depends heavily on the country and region.
If you haven't thought of these things yet, you might think a bit about moving to a different country, because otherwise you'll be disappointed.
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Showing salaries is not a common practice in European countries in general.
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In a nutshell, Relocate.me is a one-stop platform for tech professionals who are willing to relocate for work.
Since launching Relocate.me on Hacker News over 3 years ago (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15922401), a lot has changed, and I’m excited to finally introduce Relocate.me 3.0 with a batch of new features and enhancements:
1) Learning center (https://relocate.me/learning-center): A treasure trove of useful information and practical advice on finding employment abroad.
2) Companies (https://relocate.me/companies): A handpicked list of tech companies hiring internationally; you can filter companies by country.
3) Improved search (https://relocate.me/search)
4) Calculators (https://relocate.me/net-pay-calculators) to estimate your after-taxes paycheck in 20+ countries
5) “Who Wants to be Relocated?” initiative (https://relocate.me/wwbr): A public list of potential tech hires promoted among international recruiters.
6) Non-developer jobs with relocation assistance. Including (but not limited to) Product Manager, Design, and Marketing roles.
7) Telegram channel (https://t.me/relocateme): A quick way to keep up to date with new positions as they’re posted, relevant news, and more.
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Also I wonder what the difference in disposable income would be given something like (typical) health insurance, food prices, and housing per state/area
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It's been tricky. I get why there's not some kind of policy or program in place, since that's a pretty niche circumstance, but I don't see how it wouldn't be a good thing for whichever country I'd end up in. I don't make SV-bucks but I make more than I'd easily be able to in, say, Canada, and I'd be spending that money and paying taxes in the new country (I'm not at a level of income where I'd get double-taxed by the US, though I'd have to file there). At the same time, having to job-hunt and probably take a pay cut to find a job before we even move would suck, since I already have a job I like, that's fully remote.
Anyone got any helpful info on that situation, that I may not have come across elsewhere?
[+] [-] jaggederest|5 years ago|reply
https://expatlaw.nl/dutch-american-friendship-treaty
If I was going to move out of the US, I'd take a long hard look at that one.
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https://taiwangoldcard.com/
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You still have to file a tax return, you just don't pay anything.
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Language is a big issue too, are they all English speaking offices?
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Bonus question: Why relocate in times where even FAANG heavily hires remote people to the same conditions as their local staff?
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I am reminded of Society of the Spectacle, specifically thesis 165.
165 Capitalist production has unified space, breaking down the boundaries between one society and the next. This unification is at the same time an extensive and intensive process of banalization. Just as the accumulation of commodities mass-produced for the abstract space of the market shattered all regional and legal barriers and all the Medieval corporative restrictions that maintained the quality of craft production, it also undermined the autonomy and quality of places. This homogenizing power is the heavy artillery that has battered down all the walls of China.
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