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War games suggest the US will lose fast if it confronts China

17 points| ripvanwinkle | 5 years ago |trtworld.com

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[+] yongjik|5 years ago|reply
My half-cynical take: The US Air Force successfully conducted a PR exercise designed to argue why it needs more budget.
[+] throwaway53453|5 years ago|reply
China is engaging in fifth generational warfare (information, hacking, economics) against the US. How can you win a war if you don't even know it's happening?
[+] AnimalMuppet|5 years ago|reply
You seem to be saying that we don't know it's happening. And yet that you do. That combination seems improbable.
[+] cbozeman|5 years ago|reply
Once again, blame can be heaped upon the goddamned Boomers.

Their incessant desire to keep running shit, to constantly keep their standard of living not only the same, but *increasing* during their old age - has been the catalyst for this problem.

The offshoring to China of manufacturing and electronics assembly has given China an enormous economic advantage. At least the "Greatest Generation" had the good grace to retire and die instead of trying to suck everything dry like some kind of economic vampire. And just like vampires of lore, the Boomers destroy everything with which they come into contact.

500 years from now, historians are going to marvel at this generation that crippled multiple generations after it due their avarice and entitlement.

[+] smitty1e|5 years ago|reply
The Clausewitzian Trinity[1] ain't lying. The military, societal, and elected leadership isn't united, (stipulating competence).

What is more astounding is that we could be surrounded by foes devouring us, and our media would assure us that everything is just hugs and cupcakes.

[1] https://www.clausewitz.com/readings/Bassford/Trinity/Trinity...

[+] rwmj|5 years ago|reply
> "The future confrontation would continue for more than a decade"?

[Edit: I should say this sentence is in the originally posted article, not the longer one from Yahoo]

Pretty sure one or both sides would launch nuclear weapons long before then, resulting in a swift (albeit very unhappy) end to the war.

[+] ethanbond|5 years ago|reply
Why do you think MAD doesn’t work now?
[+] dmos62|5 years ago|reply
Is this written by GPT-3? The text is incongruent.
[+] S_A_P|5 years ago|reply
Unless I missed it in the article what exactly is the simulated attack? Are they flying real planes over US targets? Wouldn’t that in and of itself be considered an act of aggression?
[+] phpnode|5 years ago|reply
The US Air Force ran a war game. While the war game was in progress the Chinese Military ran a war game of their own, simulating a series of attacks on Taiwan. The timing appears to be unrelated, I suppose the article mentions them to draw attention to the escalating tensions in the area.
[+] potiuper|5 years ago|reply
"Then in September in the midst of the war game, actual Chinese combat aircraft intentionally flew over the rarely crossed median line in the Taiwan Strait in the direction of Taipei an unprecedented 40 times and conducted simulated attacks on the island that Taiwan’s premier called “disturbing.” Amid those provocations, China’s air force released a video showing a bomber capable of carrying nuclear weapons carrying out a simulated attack on Andersen Air Force Base on the U.S. Pacific island of Guam. The title of the Hollywood-like propaganda video was “The god of war H-6K [bomber] goes on the attack!”

In case the new U.S. administration failed to get the intended message behind all that provocative military activity, four days after President Biden took office, a large force of Chinese bombers and fighters flew past Taiwan and launched simulated missile attacks on the USS Roosevelt carrier strike group as it was sailing in international waters in the South China Sea."

Countries do acts of aggression all the time. Last June 20 Indian troops were killed in Himalayas clash with Chinese army. The political question is when it is enough to declare war.

[+] offtop5|5 years ago|reply
The war mongering here is so silly.

Let China reassert itself as the dominant power in Asia. That's none of our concern.

[+] alkonaut|5 years ago|reply
Throwing Taiwan under the bus is hardly the answer either. There needs to be some clarity from the international community about what happens to China if, for example, Taiwan isn’t sovereign.

Sanctions and seized Chinese assets abroad would be a good start. Banning western universities from accepting tuition money from Chinese citizens would also very effectively turn a powerful demographic against the leadership.

[+] Rebles|5 years ago|reply
I think America's concerns are 4 fold:

* There is political and economic benefits to projecting American power in Asia and the Pacific and protecting American hegemony.

* China has had recent border clashes with many of its neighbors, including India, and the Philippines.

* China continues to build its man-made islands despite it being deemed illegal, an violating its neighbor's sovereignty and international law.

* Not to mention the numerous human rights violations China commits against its minority citizens and the people of Tibet.

Now, imagine an unchallenged China, potentially subjugating its neighbors by force, including India, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and the Philippines.

Other regional powers, such as Australia, have taken notice of Chinese ambitions and are taking steps to protect themselves. Arguable, a threatening China is an opportunity for America to strength ties and increase its power in the region.

[+] senectus1|5 years ago|reply
No concern for the resource rich Australia here? Arguably a part of "Asia" and to damned big for its small population to defend properly.