[deadbytes]

The data that you posted shows two extremely clear trends, gun violence in Philly is commited overwhelmingly by men, and overwhelmingly by black people.

Why men? Well I think its pretty obvious. Men are genetically more aggressive, and genetically much more prone to commit violent acts. Does saying this mean I am sexist and hate men? No, it's just an obvious observation from the data. An observation does not imply anything more.

Ok, so why black people? This is where people's brains start freezing up from social conditioning. Nobody will let themselves analyse this in a logical manner, even though the data shows the exact same pattern and rationally the same factors should apply. You will only ever get name calling, knee-jerk responses and purely emotional, speculative arguments here.

I encourage you to look at the data you yourself have posted and to draw your own conclusions.

[ddevault]

A skillful evasion of the question.

>I encourage you to look at the data you yourself have posted and to draw your own conclusions.

This is quite irresponsible. You can't just leave it at "black men shoot more people than other demographics" and let the reader "draw their own conclusions", because on its own it seems very much like the conclusions you want the reader to draw are quite racist. On the face of it your comments look very much like other subversive racist comments that are often seen in less moderated forums than HN.

You want people to draw conclusions from incomplete data which only considers the subject's race. They'll draw on those conclusions to, say, vote. If you don't want to engender a racist perception, then you need to dig deeper than race before you state your arguments. How does it correlate with income? Job status? What are the schools like in these areas? How does it compare to other populations? America has an institutionalized racism problem, which creates an environment from which these problems arise in predominantely nonwhite areas. Don't mix up cause and effect.

Pointing out the demographics in this dataset, then complaining that no one wants to have that discussion due to some perceived social taboo, is a bad faith, racist argument.

[deadbytes]

>You will only ever get name calling, knee-jerk responses and purely emotional, speculative arguments here

Thank you for so perfectly proving my point