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benkuhn | 4 years ago
(You need a standalone mic since most headsets, even really nice ones, have really bad mics because most headset buyers don't care about or even know how good their mic sounds. The one I linked is wired because wireless is evil[3] and in particular, Bluetooth will silently degrade your audio quality. If you want a pair of wired headphones, I like these[4] which are "open back" and therefore sound more natural + cool your ears better, although the open back also means they "leak" sound and are only suitable for working without people next to you. But you shouldn't be having calls with people next to you anyway!)
[1]: https://www.amazon.com/V-MODA-BoomPro-Microphone-Gaming-Comm...
[2]: https://www.benkuhn.net/vc/#get-a-better-microphone
[3]: https://www.benkuhn.net/wireless/
[4]: https://www.amazon.com/Philips-SHP9500S-Precision-Over-ear-H...
nvarsj|4 years ago
It baffles me that some people don't seem to care about their audio quality on calls. The most obnoxious are those who use speakers and you get echo on all your talking, and despite telling them, they still never bother to get a decent mic.
Another common offender are the Bose QC35s: they have a terrible mic - I wish people would stop using them.
All the Apple things have great mics. I always keep an old pair of 3.5mm earpods in my bag as a good, portable laptop mic.
[1]: https://www.amazon.co.uk/ModMic-GDL-1420-UNI-Mute-Switch/dp/...
Cd00d|4 years ago
I see comments along these lines here all the time, and I don't get it. I'm on zoom a majority of my day, and have maybe two colleagues that don't just use the laptop mic/speakers and have a headset. I almost never have trouble hearing or understanding or listening to background garbage. In fact, those with headsets will sometimes be worse because they're making a lot of mouth sounds close to the mic.
Maybe it's just that Zoom is good at this? TBH, when we used to use Webex on dedicated phones I felt like I couldn't ever hear or understand anything. Maybe that's where this microphone feedback comes from?
egypturnash|4 years ago
one more damn thing to get
one more damn thing to research
one more damn thing to fit into your budget
one more damn thing to acquire that you maybe hope to never ever use again after the Year Of Videoconferencing is over and will have cluttering up your life forever after unless you find someone to pass it off to
(if you are really passionate about it: cut the gordian knot of all those problems by convincing whoever holds the purse strings that it would make all these interminable meetings much better if everyone had a nice mic, and get the company to buy a bunch and send them out.)
stcredzero|4 years ago
Here's the thing about perception: A lot of it happens without your conscious knowledge.
One of the things about using Audacity as one's cheap studio software, is that you have to adjust for recording latency for multitrack. It's really easy to see how a part of perception is unconscious with the delay.
Almost no one is going to notice 5ms or below. At 20ms, many musicians are going to have this definite sense that something is off, but they can still hang. In between, it's a spectrum.
In order to introspect enough to notice things that are below conscious perception, some people require some training. This is also why audio snake oil works.
I use the wireless ModMic myself.
spockz|4 years ago
This is with a beyer dynamic microphone extension for a studio headphone. And I have the gain fixed.
Everyone else in our comp keys team sessions has keyboard sound, plops, distortions. But in general it pretty well understandable at the cost of having to spent effort to understand. So maybe software is doing a hell of a job here.
yoz-y|4 years ago
Nasrudith|4 years ago
Philosophically it is also why would you go with something big and cumbersome for a feature you seldom use? You don't carry a glass bed scanner in your laptop bag - you take a photo if you really need to get a digital copy of a printing. Plus not all are equally enthused or know how to filter through the crap without a large /in person show room/ that would be either filthy or a pain in the ass to disinfect before a pandemic.
Not helping matters are audiophiles being infamously placebo connoisseurs and walking proof that it is easier to fool someone than convince them they were fooled. That market is flooded with bullshit and specious claims so the default assumption for people claiming you need new more expensive audio equipment has been "ignore them, they are gullible idiots who think you need gold cables for digital connections to reduce low level noise for digital signals".
MattGaiser|4 years ago
1. It is a bunch of extra work and expense for something I probably do not really want to be on. Easy audio communication is bound to induce more audio communication.
2. I have to maintain a bunch of infrastructure for it, manage configuration, and deal with all the wires. It is far from a free and easy improvement.
3. I rarely speak in meetings anyway.
markogresak|4 years ago
I have a ModMic 4 and I am disappointed. I used it for voice calls with my Sennheiser Momentum headphones.
- Accidentally pulling on the wire will cause it to turn on the magnetic handle and create unpleasant noise for others. - It picks up signal from the phone trying to connect and transmits it to the listeners as buzzing sound. So I had to put my phone far away to avoid that. - The mute switch does not really mute, it’s more like turning the volume to 10%. Learned that the hard/awkward way. - Sound quality is mediocre, to me it always sounded like any generic mid-range headphones+mic combo.
If I could test ModMic before buying it, I would pass. I’d rather put the money towards a standalone mic (e.g. yeti) + boom arm. It’s expensive, but the quality is way better. I now use Røde PodMic with Scarlett Solo. It’s whole other price tier, but I do not regret spending that money, which I cannot say for the ModMic.
cortesoft|4 years ago
They might care but have no idea it is bad. You can’t hear yourself on a call.
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Godel_unicode|4 years ago
It's also similar to the anti-mask problem, frankly. Even if you don't care, you should realize that others do and not abuse them for your own convenience.
technofiend|4 years ago
If you don't have a dedicated microphone port then you may have to purchase an adapter because some input ports are wired tip ring ring sleeve (TRRS) and a microphone will just be tip ring sleeve (TRS).
ravenstine|4 years ago
It amazes me how, even now with so many people working remote, how few of us take audio without even a modicum of seriousness.
obsequiosity|4 years ago
Mauricebranagh|4 years ago
I use a chaepo Plantronics £40 for work but for my steaming I use a Focusrite claret and a separate cheap dynamic mic (plus an exciter).
I do need to upgrade that mic to a sm58b or a AT 3035.
I have thought about buying a focusrite scarlet and use a separate dynamic mic for work as well.
hellohiyesokay|4 years ago
In my previous life I was a recording engineer, and this microphone was what I used in just about every session. It is one of the most versatile and best bang-for-the-buck condensers on the market, and has been for a lot of years. Very highly recommend to anyone wanting a microphone that can do just about anything.
scrozart|4 years ago
Also, regarding the AT3035, I've recently purchased an AT2020 on a park since the price was insane (like $90 US), and it sounds great! I used it on a remote recording session as the second mic on a guitar can and it was the perfect complement to the other mic (sm57).
formerly_proven|4 years ago
That might have nothing to do with the microphone. For a headset mic it is important that it's placed completely outside the airstream of mouth and nose, otherwise all mics will sound atrocious and full of wind and popping noises. Look at how headset mics are rigged by pros on talent, they're quite a bit back from the mouth.
canadianfella|4 years ago
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ballenf|4 years ago
Got a wired Plantronics headset with USB-C that I'm happy with. Not sure if the above products have this feature, but I recommend checking for it.
macintux|4 years ago
I had a headset with that feature, and sure enough, it failed me on a sales call. I groaned at something our salesperson said, and despite the button having been pressed and the light being on, everyone heard me.
r1ch|4 years ago
GuB-42|4 years ago
There is a microswitch in the mic boom, so that it is disconnected when you lift it away. I mean, you can't get more simple: when it is in front of your mouth, it is on, when it isn't, it is off. No need for a LED. Also, the headset is passive, with a good old jack connector, I consider it a plus.
nicbou|4 years ago
FirstLvR|4 years ago
the problem is that you dont know if the other people are actually paying attention and human interactions need that feedback
tux1968|4 years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nCYWhYagqk
There are also a lot of homebrew DIY versions of the same device:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AecAXinars
vlmutolo|4 years ago
pablodavila|4 years ago
I'm currently using the HD58X but I might look into getting the SHPs as a "beater" pair with the VModa mic.
bad_username|4 years ago
baxuz|4 years ago
I'm living in a really old house with no ground for most rooms (yes, I know), with only a bootleg ground to prevent _really_ bad noise and occasional static zaps. Though I've read of many people having the same issues with properly grounded machines (as far as it goes for domestic use. I'm not talking about studio-grade grounding).
My Macbook, on the other hand, doesn't have any static, even though its charger doesn't even have a ground pin, nor does my Steelseries Arctis 1 wireless (which uses a non-bluetooth dongle. Might be because it's wireless, or just because it's an external device.
In any case, I don't feel comfortable shelling out upwards of 400$ for an audio setup.
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gjm11|4 years ago
(I haven't "saved you a click" because you should watch the video anyway. It's not just about how to get better sound when recording or broadcasting. About ten minutes.)
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vlmutolo|4 years ago
Ideally, the camera is as far from you as possible, and zoomed in on your face. "Zooming in" is really just increasing the focal length, and zooming out is decreasing the focal length, producing an effect best known as "fish eye".
This is one of the first things people will tell you about photographing a human being for a portrait (which is essentially the same problem as a video conference). Get rid of distortion on the face. Use a focal length of at least 50mm (zoomed all the way in on the lenses mentioned in your article). Otherwise, the nose gets blown up and everyone looks worse.
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jscholes|4 years ago
I don't disagree, but the results are widely variable with different TRRS I/O across different soundcards. E.g. on a MacBook, the EarPods probably sound great, with a good level of gain and plenty of headroom. On a Lenovo Thinkpad, they sound hissy and terrible because you have to turn the gain all the way up.
> I think my yeti actually sounds worse at it cost 3 times as much.
Something is probably wrong if this is the case. Which is understandable; a USB microphone that's not attached to your person requires some positioning and mic technique that you don't have to think about with the inline mic on the EarPods.
packetlost|4 years ago
katbyte|4 years ago
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pa9am|4 years ago
The mic even have to be that expensive. I use a cheap dynamic mic from ebay with a windscreen and a mic arm and it sounds fine.
wombatmobile|4 years ago
How do you know what it sounds like?
How do you know how good you sound to other people compared to if you were speaking through a good condenser mic?
AstralStorm|4 years ago
Hypercardioid "shotgun" works too as long as its back is placed far enough off a wall, however these tend to have sound coloration.
It just so happens that most microphones are the less directional cardioid. Or worse, omnidirectional.
alsetmusic|4 years ago
One of the worst aspects of listening to a great interview is when the guest is in a space with tons of audio reflections. You want the sound of your voice, not the room.
Many podcast hosts climbed into closets with sound dampening clothes on hangers during the pandemic. It worked out reasonably well.
If you’re doing audio professionally, consider treating the recording space. If you don’t want to put panels on the walls, get free-standing panels that can be stored when not in use:
https://auralex.com/
Get a pop filter:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_filter
Control sibilance:
https://urm.academy/death-to-sibilance/
No use having a great mic if you don’t control the things you don’t want it to capture.
Too|4 years ago
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benkuhn|4 years ago
For other headphones you can use the various flavors of Antlion ModMic, but it’s more expensive and less convenient because you have two cables.
unexpected|4 years ago
pier25|4 years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzGPyekZE7w
https://www.amazon.com/Sony-ECMCS3-Omnidirectional-Stereo-Mi...
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xiii1408|4 years ago
Another thing people forget about is the noise canceling and other filters that are applied to your audio by default. If you're in a reasonably quiet place, it's probably reasonable to put "noise canceling" in Zoom on low. This will make your audio less garbled. If you have a really solid audio setup with headphones, you should try turning on "use original sound," which can make your audio really nice (unfortunately not available in Linux).
I highly recommend Fifine's mics. They have a USB condenser mic with a boom arm for $60 (~$35 for just the mic) [1], and a lavalier (lapel) mic for $20 [2]. The audio quality is really quite impressive.
[1] https://www.amazon.com/FIFINE-Microphone-Adjustable-Instrume...
[2] https://www.amazon.com/Lavalier-Microphone-Cardioid-Condense...
belter|4 years ago
I have multiple professional level microphones SM57, Neumann(s), BlueYeti and also tried some of the cheaper USB mics. I spent well over 60 to 80 hours doing research on how to get good audio quality online and would like to offer the following recommendations:
DO NOT rely at all on YouTube recommendations from specialized channels, even the ones with high reputation. They have a business running, and a bad review for a product will make sure they will not get another “sample” from the same vendor. I had instances where I ordered professional level headphones in the 300 to 400 US dollars price range, reviewed by several of the high reputation channels as the best out there. Within minutes of receiving the product would realize how uncomfortable they feel, or how bad sound they offer. When I would return to re-watch some of these YouTube “reviews” I would quickly realize the reviewer had skillfully omitted to mention any of these failures within the product. If there is an issue, these reviews just “omit” any comments around problematic areas of a product. On a second though … Maybe there is a business opportunity here.
Recommendation: Choose a reliable online vendor that can offer returns on the product. Be ready to order several products and do your research.
You also have to take into account a couple of things:
- What OS are you using ? If you are using a USB mic some vendors have great mics but terrible drivers ( ex BlueYeti Windows drivers ) and they do not seem willing to put the effort in. Windows is particularly terrible out of the box, with energy-saving OS plans that pause USB ports configurations. It took me hours to get Windows 10 to sound good and reliably for online meetings. This is a good starting point: https://support.focusrite.com/hc/en-gb/articles/207355205-Op...
- Do you want to sound good while doing Podcasts, creating YouTube videos OR during via WebMeeting platforms like Webex, GotoMeeting, Zoom, Jitsi? From my experience, due to internal audio processing done by many of the online conference platforms you are going to need different solutions for each use case. Some of the Studio level Condenser mics used for podcasts do not sound very good during online conferences. Its also the case they are too sensitive and your conference participants can hear you with great audio quality but they will also hear you neighbor dog barking.
Warning: I am not associated with any of these companies in any way but I would suggest the following:
- Do you want to sound good for Web Meetings ? Get two V-MODA-BoomPro and Philips-SPH9500S . One set to use and one as backup. It will be relatively cheap compared to other solutions and the price/quality ratio of this recommendation is exceptional. The mic has good quality and the headphones are high quality. You won’t feel them if you use these for 8 hours. You can spend more if you are willing to put the research effort. Just do not settle for any first choice.
OR
- Do you want to sound good while creating YouTube Videos ? Always get a Pop Filter and a Mic Stand with isolation from vibrations. Get a BlueYeti ( but use the XLR port not USB ). The BlueYeti USB drivers on Windows will randomly cause distortion and I given up on the Company putting the effort to fix the issues.
You can also
Get an SM57. Sounds great for voice and its not by accident it’s the official mic of the US President. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shure_SM57
Be careful where your order, the SM57 and the SM58 are some of the most frequently counterfeited mics by Chinese or Taiwanese vendors. Then get one of the Focusrite Scarlett interfaces and you will be sorted.
If you don’t use Mac or Linux but Windows be ready to spend some effort troubleshooting driver issues. This solution will not be cheap but still manageable and save you hours. You welcome !
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oehpr|4 years ago
If your environment is noisy, you would likely be better off getting a shotgun or cardioid style microphone with some directionality to it.
belter|4 years ago
Also important and already mentioned in the original post. Avoid any Bluetooth based mics or headphones. Avoid Wifi connections and go for cable based connections.
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fullstop|4 years ago
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07QVNXBDL
It was ~$50.
JJMcJ|4 years ago
On Zoom I look a little goofy with the phones on but better that than missing what people say and getting echoes.
psanford|4 years ago
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bryanrasmussen|4 years ago
so if it's almost as good how smart does each one make you sound?
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13415|4 years ago
Generally speaking, there are many good condenser microphones but I'd recommend a dynamic microphone if you can get close to the mic, your room is not treated, or there is outside noise.
[1] I'm in no way affiliated with Røde, just happened to like their mics. There are many other good choices in the same price ranges.
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