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B. Traven

107 points| benbreen | 5 years ago |en.wikipedia.org | reply

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[+] defen|5 years ago|reply
I'm experiencing a weird Baader Meinhof Phenomenon variant right now...I just started reading 2666, which concerns itself with (among other things) a mysterious German novelist in Mexico. Very odd to see this story here right now.
[+] apples_oranges|5 years ago|reply
offtopic: The word Baader Meinhof needs to be retried. Besides reminding us of terrorists and being pseudo-intellectual, it wastes time and attention (and co2) by having to google its meaning. The better terms, "Frequency illusion" or "selective attention bias", however are quite self explanatory.
[+] loloquwowndueo|5 years ago|reply
Hello fellow Archimboldian!

I’m slowly making my way through 2666. The very dense, entirely descriptive prose is quite demanding but the story is quite interesting and meanders nicely. Definitely feels like drinking a large cup of very dense chocolate - delicious but must be done in small sips.

[+] emmelaich|5 years ago|reply
Me too -- I just watched the Treasure of Sierra Madre.

Not only did John Huston direct, his father acted in it. One of the best characters.

[+] rpmuller|5 years ago|reply
Another 2666 fan here. My copy of Treasure of Sierra Madre cites Traven as an inspiration for Archimboldi.
[+] sneak|5 years ago|reply
I wonder if it is possible today to publish under a pseudonym that will stand the test of history, given what we know about mass surveillance databases.
[+] toyg|5 years ago|reply
No need to even go there. Elena Ferrante got made a few years ago simply by tracking royalties payments. Most lit pseudonyms are broken by simple gossip.
[+] xkeysc0re|5 years ago|reply
A lot of publishing houses, even large ones, won't let you use a pseudonym since they lean heavily on the author generating their own buzz and publicity for the book.

There was also an infamous incident recently in which an editor used a pseudonym to hide their relation to various publishers who in turn helped bid up the price for the manuscript. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/02/11/a-suspense-nov...

[+] willvarfar|5 years ago|reply
It will be interesting in the future to find out if the intelligence agencies know who created Bitcoin. Can anyone think of other modern mysteries that government surveillance might know the answer to but are keeping quiet?
[+] ggm|5 years ago|reply
Everybody raves for sierra madre. I think death ship is a better novel in some ways. More constrained. Jack London expose style.
[+] johannesgoslar|5 years ago|reply
They are both great books. And both have relevant points for current times. Death Ship has quite interesting analogies to the upcoming (vaccination) passports and resulting society structures and failures. And Sierra Madre has important lessons about companionship. For someone being critically inclined to the "press" reading some of his Ziegelbrenner will be quite interesting.
[+] sn41|5 years ago|reply
The Treasure of Sierra Madre is a very good introduction to game-theoretic decision making. In fact in our graduate game theory course, our instructor recommended watching it. It was far ahead of its times.
[+] laplacesdemon48|5 years ago|reply
Have you seen the 1948 film? If so, how does it compare to the book?
[+] jeffbee|5 years ago|reply
This wikipedia article seems very under-sourced, and there are several unsupported instances of "many say" and "some argue", just in the introductory paragraphs. Later there are paragraphs with a number of factual claims and only one source that supports only one or none of them.
[+] DubiousPusher|5 years ago|reply
I don't know why this is getting downvoted. These are good points. The literary world enjoys a good mystery. Look no further than the debates over Shakespeare's genuine identity or discussion of the whether Socrates was indeed a real person.

This is where discussion of a historical topic often ends up however when facts are few. We end up carrying around a bunch of "widely held" beliefs among other odds and ends.

There is a movement that seeks to shelve any historical beliefs that aren't backed by some physical evidence. However, there are documented cases of these kinds of things turning out to be true.

i.e. this ancient author claims a civilization minted coins 200 years before any known coins in some area so no one buys it. But eventually someone digs up a pot of coins minted by such and such civilization.

Pursuit of these kinds of informal pieces of information have led to breakthrough discoveries. Sites of ancient cities have been discovered this way.

I think the general position of most historians now is to believe the fact oriented claims passed down, not too intensly, so long as they aren't outright fanciful or seem intended to inflate personal or ethnic or political glory. For example, most ancient historians believe that most accounts of battles actually corespond to a real battle but they are often skeptical of the seemingly inflated numbers of soldiers supposedly mustered.

[+] starkd|5 years ago|reply
Wiki mentions his left-wing anarchic persuasion. I admit I've only read "Treasure of the Sierra Madre", but I honestly can't see any political taint to his work. Sure, it highlights the evils of raw capitalism, but, outside of the anarcho-capitalists, I don't think you'll find much argument t here. It's a very fine novel, and has a lot to say about the human condition.
[+] dmos62|5 years ago|reply
Just to knit pick a bit, if you were to dig deep into capitalism or socialism or anarchism, you would see those are explorations of the human condition. Politics then is drama woven around that. Maybe I'm being overly poetic. My point is that those concepts and phenomena that are sometimes so hotly debated are not somehow inherently adverserial or tainting, for the lack of a better word. There's no such thing as a dangerous idea, only a dangerous reaction. If a man owns up to every reaction, nothing imaginary has power over him.
[+] p1necone|5 years ago|reply
There are a shocking number of people that think raw capitalism is just and good and anything bad can be explained by regulation. Especially in North America.

The Overton window has moved so far to the right that even criticising that is considered "left wing".