[antibuddy]

> I fell that makes an incredibly convincing case for vaccination, but I have not been able to convince any anti-vaxer with it, so there's that.

People who don't want to be vaccinated with the new vaccines are not necessarily anti-vaxers tho. You didn't spell it out, but you speak about COVID in the previous sentence. Vaccination is also not meant to be some cult rite where you need to believe in it. It needs to be tested and that did not yet happen properly, so it is actually more sane to wait. This becomes even more important because even the basic mechanism is not studied for vaccinations long-term at all.

In Germany they push for vaccinating kids which is especially cynical given they have a COVID death rate which is lower than the death rate of some established vaccines. And COVID vaccines have way higher death rates even by official numbers (which are the lower bound).

Just to make it more obvious: In Germany in total 21 people died with/because COVID in the age of 0-19 (~15M pop in that age). Do you not see the insanity of this?

[maxerickson]

Pfizer is in the process of completing the normal licensing process: https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-deta...

What's the next hurdle after that for being 'properly' tested?

[grillvogel]

vaccines are supposed to have years of testing to prove they are truly safe in the long term. your own link says pfizer is trying to extend the emergency use authorization to apply to younger people, nothing about completing approvals. true FDA approval is still years away.

[gspr]

> This becomes even more important because even the basic mechanism is not studied for vaccinations long-term at all.

It is spouting shit like this that makes people call you an anti-vaxer. What the hell are you on about?

[antibuddy]

There are no long-term studies for mRNA vaccines.

[thomashop]

Don't we need to vaccinnate kids to reach herd immunity? Sure it doesn't make sense when you look at young people in isolation but that is beside the point.

[rhino369]

Not when you factor in immunity from recovered people.

If we get to 60% of the total population plus 25% of the rest being immune from recovery, that is 70% total.

[antibuddy]

The vaccines are not sterile, so they do not stop the spread either.

[planb]

You did not understand the difference between systemic and individual risk the parent mentioned. Of course, 12+ year olds are not vaccinated for their own safety, but to supress infection chains that might reach someone more vulnerable. I don't see any insanity in this as testing HAS happened properly.