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foliveira | 4 years ago

There was no request (afaik) done by any of the involved parties.

By law, if you’re planning a rally/event/etc you have to make a request to your local mayorship, who then approves it (or not) while informing the police about it, so that security details can be planned.

Since the rallies in question involved displays related to certain countries or were held in front of embassies (like the one supporting Navalny, which brought this case to the limelight), the embassies were also informed about who the organisers were.

As some one on the comments already mentioned, it seems to be a case of Hanlon’s Razor albeit a very unfortunate (and disturbing) one

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JumpCrisscross|4 years ago

> were held in front of embassies

Fine. But Correia's "protest was held on the Largo de Camões, which is nowhere near the Chinese embassy," so that doesn't apply.

> related to certain countries

Sorry, this doesn't follow. If I show up for a Tiananmen massacre vigil in New York, Gracie Mansion doesn't and doesn't need to notify the Chinese embassy.

foliveira|4 years ago

> that doesn’t apply

I did add an OR in the sentence you quote; exactly because of the example you shared and another on in support of the Palestinian cause held in front of a concert hall just before a Brazilian singer concert, that would go on tour to Israel after.

As for your second point, I totally agree with your point. My previous comment isn’t supposed to show any agreement with the episodes, but just a factual showing of what happened, and how this has been general malpractice rather than some shady intelligence underground operation.

baybal2|4 years ago

Freedom of assembly conditional upon something is not a freedom, by definition.

jneves|4 years ago

It's not conditional. The police and city hall can't say no. You're just suppose to inform them of the protest. Have done this a few times in Portugal.

ineedasername|4 years ago

All freedom comes with conditions, generally around not abusing them or otherwise interfering with other people's freedom.

Freedom in general or in reference to a particular type never means you can do whatever you want. The entire premise of civil society is that there are conditions on behavior. It is a fundamental principal that one person's freedom ends where another person's begins. Or as I've heard it said, "The freedom of your fist ends at the tip of my nose".

Ekaros|4 years ago

Sounds entirely reasonable and sane process. You have to allow these foreign embassies to prepare against potential terrorist activities. In some case when known anti-government terrorist forces are identified they have good reason to increase preparedness.

briefcomment|4 years ago

Why in the world would it be reasonable to give out home addresses in this situation?

seanieb|4 years ago

Without any context or common sense applied, sure.