Yes and there will be another vote as soon as the government makes a new proposal. Sadly even if Switzerland passed the strictest CO2 laws it would have little effect since it is so small of a country.
Technology alone is not enough. As long as cutting corners on environmental responsibility and outsourcing pollution and waste to poorer countries is cheaper, then that's what businesses will continue to do in the west.
Just recently a huge shipment of e-waste from Germany labeled as "for recycling" was seized at the Romanian border as it was in no way recyclable and would have just been landfilled here.
From the German perspective it's mission accomplished as they can lable this trash as recycled and tick more boxes on environmental responsibility, while the truth is they just outsourced their trash to some unscrupulous business from a poor and corrupt country and can feign ignorance when being questioned by the press about knowing the truth, same as how sports-wear companies pretend to be shocked that their manufacturing partners use child labour in Asian sweatshops.
The solution is political, but fat chance getting western corporations and consumers to pay more for environmental responsibility.
The problem is that literally 'we' are probably OK. Our grand kids or their kids on the other hand might very well be doomed, but humans are bad and dealing with those sort of time frames.
Yeah, most people couldn't care less, they just want to live comfortably (though I'd call modern western middle class life "luxurious").
Guess we'll just YOLO this generation and leave it to the kids to deal with the mess, one way or another. Because that's exactly what's going to happen.
There is technology, proven, tested and old. It is nuclear energy. For some reason people prefer spending time and money on less reliable technologies like wind or solar, which require either flexible backup from traditional energy sources (what is expensive) or energy storage technology that we don't have.
All those attempts to fight climate change are so full of ideology and emotions that I am not surprised we still don't have any working solution.
If Germany spent on nuclear energy power plants all the money they've spent on wind and solar power plants they would be almost at zero level CO2 emission (except cars).
I can understand Germany, they are putting pressure on other countries, making their economies less competitive while they have a deal with Russia to buy huge amounts of gas (which, for some strange reason is considered to be "green").
This is good for German economy, but for sure will not help environment. Not a big surprise that Swiss people hasn't bought that bullshit.
We are doomed as we are, but cant we change and adapt rather than try to reverse entropy?
I think it's fine to struggle on this: we have to go beyond the crisis, either with luck if a phenomenon we didnt predict counter balance it, or if we fail miserably and lose 80% of the life population or if we reverse natural course and somehow work against our nature, or even invent a miraculous carbon sink or whatever.
If the goal is terraformation in space, it s fine if we try and fail and another species rise in our stead. We literally have billions of years, on Earth, to find a way.
Our own survival doesnt matter if extinction provides a solution / evolution that becomes superior. Who's crying for the billions of species who tried and failed before us.
Humans and other species adapted to deal with climate change in the course of thousands if not millions of years.
If we seriously managed to change this within a century, I am fine with us being doomed.
Technological solutions just lead to lifestyle inflation rather than footprint reduction. Look at cars for example. Modern internal combustion engines and materials are a wonder compared to the cars of 50 years ago. But did people reduce their footprint? No. They got bigger cars with more power output, air conditioning, heated seats etc.
I (Swiss citizen) being really disgusted at the whole poll, not just the CO2, and the anti insecticide and the pro-clean drink-water was rejected, but especially the "anti-terror" was accepted (means the police don't have to ask a judge when long-term restricting your freedom, even when you haven't done anything against the law, just a potential "terrorist" down to 12 yo...without having to ask a judge...it's disgusting, a bit like a internal Guantanamo-bay)
Yes, I am with you. I was very disappointed especially the new police law. I can see the clean water and pesticide not passing because it was too much too fast and scared off a lot of people. Sadly in the same go people then also killed the CO2 law.
But this is Switzerland. We accept the result and move on. There is a shift and I expect more and more of these "green" law to come up for a vote and with more and more young voting they will get passed.
Also it appears that the Police law may actually be illegal (Grundrecht Verletzung) and could be killed by the courts.
Same here.. it is sad but there always seems to be a general lack of awareness over the polls. I believe that unfortunately many people did not bother to inform themselves thoroughly about the propositions.
Same here. Especially the law that ignores human rights and enforces discrimination. I do not consider myself part of that community anymore.
(edit: in terms of, these are not the values I grew up with)
I find it crazy that the libertarian-leaning right wing in general was pro the terrorism law... surely this gives too much authority to the government?
People are still confident that this won't be a problem until after they are dead, so they'll continue to extract as much as they possibly can from the earth while they are still here. Nobody voluntarily downgrades their lifestyle.
It would've been interesting if someone could choose the date of the referendum, imagine holding it after a summer heatwave with news reports of fish dying because the water in their habitat got too hot...
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[+] [-] ChuckNorris89|4 years ago|reply
Just recently a huge shipment of e-waste from Germany labeled as "for recycling" was seized at the Romanian border as it was in no way recyclable and would have just been landfilled here.
From the German perspective it's mission accomplished as they can lable this trash as recycled and tick more boxes on environmental responsibility, while the truth is they just outsourced their trash to some unscrupulous business from a poor and corrupt country and can feign ignorance when being questioned by the press about knowing the truth, same as how sports-wear companies pretend to be shocked that their manufacturing partners use child labour in Asian sweatshops.
The solution is political, but fat chance getting western corporations and consumers to pay more for environmental responsibility.
[+] [-] dagw|4 years ago|reply
The problem is that literally 'we' are probably OK. Our grand kids or their kids on the other hand might very well be doomed, but humans are bad and dealing with those sort of time frames.
[+] [-] bserge|4 years ago|reply
Guess we'll just YOLO this generation and leave it to the kids to deal with the mess, one way or another. Because that's exactly what's going to happen.
[+] [-] piokoch|4 years ago|reply
All those attempts to fight climate change are so full of ideology and emotions that I am not surprised we still don't have any working solution.
If Germany spent on nuclear energy power plants all the money they've spent on wind and solar power plants they would be almost at zero level CO2 emission (except cars).
I can understand Germany, they are putting pressure on other countries, making their economies less competitive while they have a deal with Russia to buy huge amounts of gas (which, for some strange reason is considered to be "green").
This is good for German economy, but for sure will not help environment. Not a big surprise that Swiss people hasn't bought that bullshit.
[+] [-] xwolfi|4 years ago|reply
I think it's fine to struggle on this: we have to go beyond the crisis, either with luck if a phenomenon we didnt predict counter balance it, or if we fail miserably and lose 80% of the life population or if we reverse natural course and somehow work against our nature, or even invent a miraculous carbon sink or whatever.
If the goal is terraformation in space, it s fine if we try and fail and another species rise in our stead. We literally have billions of years, on Earth, to find a way.
Our own survival doesnt matter if extinction provides a solution / evolution that becomes superior. Who's crying for the billions of species who tried and failed before us.
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[+] [-] Shadonototro|4 years ago|reply
we just have to stop taxing everything in order to "make a change"
change should come without the feeling of being taxed
empowering civilization shouldn't come with more taxes
fuck taxes
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But this is Switzerland. We accept the result and move on. There is a shift and I expect more and more of these "green" law to come up for a vote and with more and more young voting they will get passed.
Also it appears that the Police law may actually be illegal (Grundrecht Verletzung) and could be killed by the courts.
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