The problem with the TV is not the user experience, it's the content.
Right now, content creators have created an environment that is 10 times more complex and legally difficult to penetrate than anything the music industry did - and they're successfully defending this position against everyone, including Apple.
Television should be an experience where I can watch exactly what I want to watch, exactly when I want to watch it. No commercial interruptions, no content I feel 'meh' about. When I know what I want to watch, I should be able to select it and watch it on my terms. This should apply to new content in the same way Netflix is currently doing reruns.
Furthermore, when I don't know exactly what I want to watch, there should be a Pandora like system that creates a channel for me that will give me something I am probably going to like.
I should be able to know what my friends and people I find interesting think about what I'm watching. This should not, in any way, intrude on the watching experience, but it should never be more than glance or a remote tap away.
Finally, this entire experience should cost less than a cable subscription.
The technology is there. I could build this experience for myself using BDs, iTunes, DVR, a media server, and by programming a bunch of TV apps for something like Vizio, Samsung, or GoogleTV.
However, without the backing of content providers, something like this will never make it mass market because they are holding all the cards until a giant, like Apple, decides to take them on - and it'll be far more bloody than the battle for music.
Commercials are an essential part of the television experience and the main reason why the transition to online is taking so long. Getting advertisers on board is difficult for a variety of reasons (namely that's it's a completely different model).
An episode of a TV show can cost several million dollars to make. Reality shows cost much less, obviously. ER, for example, cost 13 million per episode [1]. Do you think they can recoup that at $0.99 per episode? I don't. Can they recoup that at $9.99 per month for some subscription? No way. The only way they can pay for that is by drilling into your brain brand recognition.
FWIW, Steve Jobs owns 7.3% of Disney, which is a major content provider. While still a small fraction of all content sources, he has a lot of leverage.
TV programming is ripe for an iPod/iTunes style disruption - Netflix is doing it now with streaming - but it'll be hard to get people to buy a whole new TV.
The iPod had a simple selling point - all your songs in your pocket - and it only had to displace cassette/CD Walkmen that wore out in a year anyway. Ditto for the iPhone - internet in your pocket, but this instead of your next phone upgrade.
TV is harder. What's the selling point for an Apple-branded TV, and is it enough to make me buy a new TV now instead of 5-10 years when mine wears out?
All I got from this article was that Apple has enough cash on hand to enter the market if it wants to. Nothing much about strategy...
iPod, iPhone, and iPad are all portable products that can be used in a wide variety of contexts, but a TV is only used in a single location. Unless Apple can come up with some revolutionary new ways to use a TV to consume media, I'd be surprised if consumers are willing to pay a premium for an Apple TV product that has limited utility compared with the portable product lines.
I believe there is a tremendous potential for disruption on TV, the same way anybody can make a living selling software using Internet, anybody should be able to sell their documentary, films, or TV episodes using it without too much middlemen.
It is already happening, but it will take some years, bandwidth has to be cheaper and the economic models have to be tested.
Remember Apple App Store learned a lot from Lindows-Linspire click and run, apt-get, yum and other experiments that tested software distribution in the millions of users way before Apple did.
If Apple TV gets its own app store, then it will be interesting to see all the channels (apps) that will result. I think that is more likely than an actual TV (unless you are willing to call a big iMac a TV). I think the biggest limit on Apple TV is the bandwidth caps.
I think the reason the Apple TV isn't as disruptive or genius is that I don't believe that Steve Jobs watches much if any TV. He is a busy man running a Fortune 500 company. Do you think he spends a bunch of free time on his couch watching TV?
Apple products are great in part because Steve Jobs and other executives use them and so they make sure they are top tier.
Apple TV is a "hobby" because the people signing off on them don't have the same deep understanding of the TV watching experience that they do the phone experience or the desktop/laptop computer experience.
For example, for the longest time the Apple TV was where you could watch YouTube and movies you download from Apple. No DVD drive, no Netflix, no Hulu, no DVR, no game console. YouTube and iTunes purchases. That is not what a couch potato would design.
A couch potato would design something like a cross between the current Apple TV and the Wii or something. Streaming content + downloadable music/movies + casual games all running iOS. Make the Apple TV interface with the iPod Touch, iPhone, or Wiimote and you're basically there.
Again, if Steve Jobs were a TV junkie this might seem obvious to him, but I don't think he is so it probably isn't going to happen.
The idea that a ~350 Billion dollar company runs on the hunches of a single man might sound interesting, but it just can not be true. And again, the idea that Steve Jobs can not understand what constitutes a good TV, just because he is not a TV junkie doesn't sound convincing to me. If it is a 100 Billion dollar market and if it is something a majority use even for a few hours a day and if improving that can make their daily life even 3% better, they are going to go for it.
A couch potato would design something like a cross between the current Apple TV and the Wii or something. Streaming content + downloadable music/movies + casual games all running iOS. Make the Apple TV interface with the iPod Touch, iPhone, or Wiimote and you're basically there.
Note that Apple is going that way with AirPlay Mirroring. As a reminder, AirPlay Mirroring allows you to wirelessly use the AppleTV as a second display for any app that supports it. (and it's very easy for a developer to support) In particular, that includes games (see Real Racing HD for example). Though it will only work with the iPad2 at first, this has a lot of potential.
I'm not sure that this would be the ideal way to get into people's living-rooms (they would still need to buy an AppleTV on top of an iPad), but it's pretty close to what you're describing.
In his 1997 WWDC Keynote, Steve said that he likes to create products that he would want to use.
Even if he doesnt have time to watch TV, or isnt a couch potato, he will surely be interested in creating a TV that he would want to use.
I deliberately placed the word "use" here, because Apple is intent on creating highly interactive and/or immersive devices.
Apple is sure to use its learned experience from the success of the iPhone, iPad and Macbook to bring something revolutionary to the largest mainstay screen in our homes.
my issue with your point here is that i think you're stuck with the concept of what a TV is now, when Apple has the potential to completely redefine the concept of what a "TV" is or should be...
"Smart TV's" have the potential to cannibalize some of the PC market, as all of our data moves to the cloud and all we need is a good interface to compute...
Apple didn't make a tablet, they made an iPad. they won't make a TV, they'll make an iTV and differentiate themselves entirely.
padobson|14 years ago
Right now, content creators have created an environment that is 10 times more complex and legally difficult to penetrate than anything the music industry did - and they're successfully defending this position against everyone, including Apple.
Television should be an experience where I can watch exactly what I want to watch, exactly when I want to watch it. No commercial interruptions, no content I feel 'meh' about. When I know what I want to watch, I should be able to select it and watch it on my terms. This should apply to new content in the same way Netflix is currently doing reruns.
Furthermore, when I don't know exactly what I want to watch, there should be a Pandora like system that creates a channel for me that will give me something I am probably going to like.
I should be able to know what my friends and people I find interesting think about what I'm watching. This should not, in any way, intrude on the watching experience, but it should never be more than glance or a remote tap away.
Finally, this entire experience should cost less than a cable subscription.
The technology is there. I could build this experience for myself using BDs, iTunes, DVR, a media server, and by programming a bunch of TV apps for something like Vizio, Samsung, or GoogleTV.
However, without the backing of content providers, something like this will never make it mass market because they are holding all the cards until a giant, like Apple, decides to take them on - and it'll be far more bloody than the battle for music.
MatthewPhillips|14 years ago
An episode of a TV show can cost several million dollars to make. Reality shows cost much less, obviously. ER, for example, cost 13 million per episode [1]. Do you think they can recoup that at $0.99 per episode? I don't. Can they recoup that at $9.99 per month for some subscription? No way. The only way they can pay for that is by drilling into your brain brand recognition.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_does_a_cable_television_s...
ctdonath|14 years ago
qq66|14 years ago
I'd also like a Boeing 747 for $5.
xsmasher|14 years ago
The iPod had a simple selling point - all your songs in your pocket - and it only had to displace cassette/CD Walkmen that wore out in a year anyway. Ditto for the iPhone - internet in your pocket, but this instead of your next phone upgrade.
TV is harder. What's the selling point for an Apple-branded TV, and is it enough to make me buy a new TV now instead of 5-10 years when mine wears out?
mcphilip|14 years ago
iPod, iPhone, and iPad are all portable products that can be used in a wide variety of contexts, but a TV is only used in a single location. Unless Apple can come up with some revolutionary new ways to use a TV to consume media, I'd be surprised if consumers are willing to pay a premium for an Apple TV product that has limited utility compared with the portable product lines.
forgottenpaswrd|14 years ago
It is already happening, but it will take some years, bandwidth has to be cheaper and the economic models have to be tested.
Remember Apple App Store learned a lot from Lindows-Linspire click and run, apt-get, yum and other experiments that tested software distribution in the millions of users way before Apple did.
protomyth|14 years ago
reecepacheco|14 years ago
programminggeek|14 years ago
Apple products are great in part because Steve Jobs and other executives use them and so they make sure they are top tier.
Apple TV is a "hobby" because the people signing off on them don't have the same deep understanding of the TV watching experience that they do the phone experience or the desktop/laptop computer experience.
For example, for the longest time the Apple TV was where you could watch YouTube and movies you download from Apple. No DVD drive, no Netflix, no Hulu, no DVR, no game console. YouTube and iTunes purchases. That is not what a couch potato would design.
A couch potato would design something like a cross between the current Apple TV and the Wii or something. Streaming content + downloadable music/movies + casual games all running iOS. Make the Apple TV interface with the iPod Touch, iPhone, or Wiimote and you're basically there.
Again, if Steve Jobs were a TV junkie this might seem obvious to him, but I don't think he is so it probably isn't going to happen.
padmanabhan01|14 years ago
Timothee|14 years ago
Note that Apple is going that way with AirPlay Mirroring. As a reminder, AirPlay Mirroring allows you to wirelessly use the AppleTV as a second display for any app that supports it. (and it's very easy for a developer to support) In particular, that includes games (see Real Racing HD for example). Though it will only work with the iPad2 at first, this has a lot of potential.
I'm not sure that this would be the ideal way to get into people's living-rooms (they would still need to buy an AppleTV on top of an iPad), but it's pretty close to what you're describing.
krmmalik|14 years ago
Even if he doesnt have time to watch TV, or isnt a couch potato, he will surely be interested in creating a TV that he would want to use.
I deliberately placed the word "use" here, because Apple is intent on creating highly interactive and/or immersive devices.
Apple is sure to use its learned experience from the success of the iPhone, iPad and Macbook to bring something revolutionary to the largest mainstay screen in our homes.
reecepacheco|14 years ago
"Smart TV's" have the potential to cannibalize some of the PC market, as all of our data moves to the cloud and all we need is a good interface to compute...
Apple didn't make a tablet, they made an iPad. they won't make a TV, they'll make an iTV and differentiate themselves entirely.
reecepacheco|14 years ago
he wants to put a dent in the universe... what better way than revolutionizing TV/computing?
reecepacheco|14 years ago
he wants to put a dent in the universe... what better way than revolutionizing TV?
reecepacheco|14 years ago
leave it to the naysayers to say "it's impossible."
Jobs will dominate and prove them wrong.