[throw-8462682]

It happens but it’s not clear what you intend to say with that, so maybe just say it? I don’t think the systemd team could have imagined the success and scope of the project from day 1. Another explanation for their success is that the team was onto something, and by using proper engineering practices (work incrementally on pieces that are individually useful) became successful. Think T S Kuhn’s progressive research program.

[mjw1007]

I'm saying that I don't think reasoning by considering questions like

« How likely is it that the prolific systemd team and tech decision makers in Linux distributions don’t have a design instinct and came up with this ball of mud full of accidental and unneeded complexity? »

is likely to be fruitful.

If people want to discuss whether systemd is well designed, it would be better to look at the design directly.

[throw-8462682]

Agreed that this line of questioning is not likely to be fruitful. The alternative of discussing the design would have my preference normally, but i am not sure that it works any better for this hyper polarized topic.