[StandardFuture]

> but have in fact existed in the so called 'West' for literally centuries

Yes, and that is backwards, uncivilized, and philosophically unsophisticated. It is quite literally beneath where we should be as a modern human civilization.

We defeat people saying things we disagree with with reason and not with fines.

There are many reasons why people fled many countries in the West to America in 1800s-1900s. One of them was to escape crony and corrupt authoritarianism in Europe and elsewhere at the time.

[dang]

Please don't post ideological flamewar comments to HN. They make threads predictable, which is tedious, and usually turn them nasty as well.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Edit: it's unfortunately much worse than that. You've been breaking the site guidelines frequently and badly:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27599366

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27599331

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27567601

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27428864

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27428736

That is way over the line. I've banned this account.

[Barrin92]

So everyone who holds any restrictive position on speech, incompatible with your own is uncivilized and philosophically unsophisticated, as in the rest of the world? Civilizations thousands of years old are... uncivilized?

See this is the supreme irony. You've turned freedom of speech into dogmatic faith. Ironically enough, no discourse is so dogmatic and blind and unable to question its own values as the American one. You can question everything, just not your own values on speech. It's all just platitudes about authoritarianism and slippery slopes and ironically enough unoriginal, replicated talking points.

[StandardFuture]

> Ironically enough, no discourse is so dogmatic and blind and unable to question its own values than the American one.

This speech seems rather ... hateful. Shall we fine you? Officers! This man is screaming hateful speech in the public arena!

Or maybe you disagree with that being hate speech? In an uncivilized society, if I have the power then it doesn't really matter. You still get fined or worse.

> You can question everything, just not your own values on speech

No, you can still question that in a free society if you so choose. But you may not necessarily be able to in an unfree one.

> You've turned freedom of speech into dogmatic faith.

This is entirely disingenuous. Supporting a philosophical position is not without reason, as you well know, and is not automatically dogmatic.

> It's all just platitudes about authoritarianism and slippery slopes and ironically enough unoriginal, replicated talking points.

Perhaps, you can better explain your dogmatic devotion to your belief that freedom of speech is not an important tenant of modern civility and sophistication?