[StandardFuture]

> Ironically enough, no discourse is so dogmatic and blind and unable to question its own values than the American one.

This speech seems rather ... hateful. Shall we fine you? Officers! This man is screaming hateful speech in the public arena!

Or maybe you disagree with that being hate speech? In an uncivilized society, if I have the power then it doesn't really matter. You still get fined or worse.

> You can question everything, just not your own values on speech

No, you can still question that in a free society if you so choose. But you may not necessarily be able to in an unfree one.

> You've turned freedom of speech into dogmatic faith.

This is entirely disingenuous. Supporting a philosophical position is not without reason, as you well know, and is not automatically dogmatic.

> It's all just platitudes about authoritarianism and slippery slopes and ironically enough unoriginal, replicated talking points.

Perhaps, you can better explain your dogmatic devotion to your belief that freedom of speech is not an important tenant of modern civility and sophistication?

[adriand]

It doesn’t seem hateful whatsoever, and everyone knows it, including you. So I don’t think you’ve made your point very effectively here.

I think the well-known distinction between “freedom to” and “freedom from” is relevant here. In the wake of Nazism, Germany also banned hate speech. You could argue that Germany made it less free to be a Nazi. You could also argue that Germany made it easier to be free from Nazism. You may disagree with the choice they made but I don’t think many would reasonably argue that Germany is not a free society.

> tenant of modern civility

Minor quibble: it’s tenet, not tenant.

[alentist]

> everyone knows it

"Everyone knows" what? This?

> no discourse is so dogmatic and blind and unable to question its own values as the American one

I can't imagine how sheltered from and ignorant of the rest of the world one must be to make such a ludicrous claim.

[seattle_spring]

Thank you for this. I'm so tired of the rhetoric lately decrying "intolerance of intolerance." Sorry folks, but me nor the state should respect someone who hates others for who they are. "I hate Jews" is not the same as "I hate those who hate Jews", and it should not be tolerated as such.