[gjhh244]

Probably not any time soon. The current trend among the woke crowd seems to be emphasizing importance of race, rather than trying to get past it.

Worst racists of today are ones who divide people to privileged and underprivileged simply based on their skin colour, when the reality is way more complicated.

[zingar]

I like that you recognise that reality is complicated.

However your comment underestimates racism. It may not have happened in front of your eyes, but in this world there are people who will for example:

- be willing to verbally _or physically_ assault a person because of their skin colour (yes, to the point of serious injury or death)

- deliberately undermine a good candidate's chances of getting a job or promotion _because of their skin colour_

- deliberately undermine a good tenant's chances of finding a place to live close to work or a good school

Most people (including myself) are shocked to learn of situations like this once presented with evidence of it. I'm honestly talking about something as straightforward and undeniably racist as: a landlord asking a real estate startup to screen out any black tenants.

There's also a huge range of experiences where the above happen across lines of race but more accidentally. Racist outcomes without racist intentions. All the kids who can afford to live near the good schools are white, all the informal mentorship happens to people who are similar in background to the founder, etc.

The reason "emphasising importance of race" happens is because there's no chance of avoiding or preventing these situations if we pretend/hope that they don't happen. I might have misinterpreted you, but "trying to get past it" feels like pretend/hope rather than a willingness to fix things.

[hutzlibu]

"The reason "emphasising importance of race" happens is because there's no chance of avoiding or preventing these situations if we pretend/hope that they don't happen."

How can we move past the racial thing, when we focus so much of racial things?

I think it just reinforces the racial thinking, when with every decision concerning other people, the race factor has to be taken into account.

I want to treat humans as humans and this is my solution towards a world without racism. I don't want to have to be nicer to a person because he or she is of black skin color. Or give special reasons in case of other skincolor, why this person did not qualify for a job. Or actually having to employ people because of their skin color. That would be racism to me, even if it might be well intentioned one.

I do not think there is such a thing as "positive discrimination". Discrimination remains discrimination.

[bildung]

I didn't read GP is underestimating racism, but as sharing your goal but disagreeing with the means. The problem with the race-focussed approach to end racism is you can't change race.

But most racist problems actually manifest themselves as socioeconomic problems. And you can tackle those. And when doing so you can even gain allies, because poverty, bad schools and so on affect people regardless of skin color, which means fighting for better schools, higher wages etc. unites people regardless of skin color.

[ttt0]

> deliberately undermine a good candidate's chances of getting a job or promotion _because of their skin colour_

I'm sorry, but I have to ask. How do you feel about affirmative action?

[fogihujy]

It's funny how the rest of the World is suddenly expected to adhere to U.S. cultural boundaries even though they simply don't apply. All of a sudden I've somehow changed ethnicity to "White". Simultaneously, people of African, Middle-Eastern and Indian origin -- some of the most ethnically diverse areas on the entire planet -- are just considered "Black" and thought of as a single group.

It's outright ridiculous.

[desktopninja]

"Racism" is a fancy word for "Tribalism".

[HoverSausage]

Yes, I 100% agree that reality is complicated and not everything is about race, but some things are still about race and we shouldn't be afraid to talk about it.

Racists aren't idiots, most of them know they can't openly spout racial slurs any more and still be taken seriously, so they use proxy issues framed in ways that do more harm to the groups they hate than to middle class white Americans.

You can't simultaneously solve every single social problem in existence out of fear of being called the real bigots, and making it all about whichever example of bigotry or injustice you're talking about in the moment. Sometimes you have to zoom in on a particular sub problem, be it income, education, crime, pollution, housing, disability, race, class, homelessness, or whatever.

So no, in short I don't think the worst racists of today are the ones who talk about the privileges or difficulties that come with being born into one race or another. The worst racists are still the same people they've always been, the people who try to hurt or kill the racial groups they don't like using every tool at their disposal, be it he media, the police, the law or whatever.