[BenTheElder]

Those things don't have to be inherently slow and e.g. external IP don't need to block bring-up.

I've worked on KIND and on clusters on clouds (at Google, but on multiple clouds) and both can be very quick, if anything there's still low hanging fruit to make KIND faster that I'd expect a production service with more staffing to handle.

KIND is Kubernetes, typically on much weaker hardware :-)

Within a few minutes is a perfectly reasonable expectation even for "real"-er clusters, see e.g. under 4 minutes:

- https://kubedex.com/google-gke-vs-azure-aks-automation-and-r...

- https://stackoverflow.com/questions/53839292/is-a-3-minute-g...