I feel like this experience is so common it’s almost cliche, but I ended up moving with my family out of the city in mid 2020 mostly due to the major influx of homeless into our neighborhood, which had very little before. I didn’t like my kids facing that every time we walked to the park or the grocery store. There was also a rise in petty crime that made the neighborhood feel a lot less safe.
It’s a tough situation. At the end of the day, mental health shouldn’t fall to any one city to be responsible for, but we have to start somewhere. I hope for the best and that SF can come up with an effective way to help people off the streets.
Petty and non-violent crime is only petty and non-violent because the victims don't fight back.
I don't know what the solution is, but calling these petty/non-violent feels like an unfair take.
A victim is often traumatized about this kind of experiences, but that is never taken into account.
I feel San Francisco is such a screwed up place. But many would disagree with me.
I don't live there anymore, but it seems people there like restorative justice, and outsiders should help cheer for that to see whether it will work. We need this kind of experiments anyway.
Whether it works or not, it will be a great experience to learn for outsiders... So... Go Chesa Boudin! Fighto! We support you 200%!
The theory is that if people like you are forced to see the homeless you’ll be more willing to fund helping them. Tuck those homeless into shelters and you’ll forget.
The problem is people with options leave. They might be willing to help but not at the cost of their own children.
The thing 2020 taught me is 90% of the population considers me an acceptable sacrifice. I’m going to have to live with that now and act accordingly.
This is interesting given the protests. As I understand it, San Francisco is generally considered to be a very liberal and progressive city. The politicians are generally considered to be very liberal and progressive. These are the same groups, however, that want to defund the police. I don’t get it. You can want both police reform, and policing, but without the police there’s not really anyone capable, trained, or just available to confront dangerous criminals and individuals. It’s almost like a very radical group pushed for something and they went way too far, so now the more rational side is like whoa wait a second
The homelessness problem has been growing for the last 15 years (I mean, before that too, but I remember never being shocked in the early 2000s like I always am today), whereas the "Defund" thing is only in the last year.
The homelessness crisis is not caused by a lack of police enforcement.
>The politicians are generally considered to be very liberal and progressive. These are the same groups, however, that want to defund the police. I don’t get it.
It's the fact that you see an issue like homelessness and think "this is what we pay the police for", that blinds you to the actual grievances of the protestors. Instead of actually addressing issue, most Americans have developed the crutch of just calling the police who have just opted to either move the issue or throw the homeless in jail. It's sort of frustrating that on Hacker News people haven't done anymore than surface level research into the grievances behind "defund the police". A lot of their argument seems to stem to the fact that many problems they face are relegated to police (who have the funding) when things like housing and mental health services should be funded instead.
San Francisco's problem (and, I'd argue the "true" motivation behind the restorative justice) is that the city can no longer afford to in-prison more people for basic offenses. The housing problem has now extended to prisons and I believe COVID exasperated that issue as people wanted to avoid having overcrowded prisons. That plus the massively reduced city traffic has had homeless people claim a lot of open spaces. At this point I don't think funding more police departments would put a dent in the issue.
What don’t you get? Policy makers are out over their skis believing in a utopia that runs contrary to human nature and economics. They can’t admit the physics of the problem so just keep insisting they haven’t gone far enough. Graft creeps in as it always does, corrupting the machinery that (even generously) may have originally been born with the best of intentions. Everyone is afraid of being labeled as intolerant or an asshole so nobody has the courage to call out the emperor’s lack of clothes - to say this isn’t working and needs radical correction to enforce some social norms and define acceptable behavior under penalty of imprisonment, labor, or some undesirable consequence for the offender. People are thus held prisoner by the group think and the social glare. It’s only worse now with social media enabling a cancel culture with very real and significant consequences.
The police can only effectively deal with the homeless the way LA did in Echo Park -- by kicking them out. Then it becomes an issue for somewhere else.
Considered to be progressive by whom? Like most of what passed for “progressive” in California, it’s generally a narrow set of issues to which the label might apply. A lot of SF is now dominated by the tech industry which is almost libertarian in its views, but for a narrow slice of identity politics.
"Defund the police" is mostly a shorthand for "federalize the police". Some people with little political power might interpret it literally, but they're not really calling the shots.
I am currently in Warsaw. I have lived in SF. The quality of life is astoundingly different. There nearly zero visible homelessness people. There are low levels of crime and none visible. There are hardly any murders or gun crime. Not much property crime. There are quite a lot of police, but no brutality that I have heard of. I feel safe walking around at night. People have health care, higher education, and employees have strong legal protections with sane working hours. Taxes are reasonable. There's a good tech job market.
As I was leaving SF, I watched a homeless man with no teeth pick a morsel of food out of the gutter and eat it.
I am not sure if it's a case of boiling the frog, but trust me when I say that SF has an absolutely shameful inability to solve it's problems and that a city that was no more than a crater 70 years ago absolutely shines in comparison. I would not believe it if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes.
Love Warsaw but suspect your in $1000/mo+ Airbnb, alcohol abuse amongst the homeless in Warsaw is massive, and thus aggressive begging, everything else you say is correct, but your in a 2km bubble and Warsaw is a big city, even a walk to googles free coworking space will be enlightening for you (it will put you marginally outside the comfort zone briefly if you walk the quickest path over the bridge, then loop back in to an arty farty outlet shopping complex zone), even in your comfort zone I've seen some pretty horrific situations with people collapsed outside with head split open (self inflicted alcohol abuse, but I guess less scary than stringes everywhere)
It should be mentioned that Warsaw is not at all representative for the country or even the local region. It's a status which the city had for many decades.
It's just a symptom of the neo-pseudo-scientific political system. I can find plenty of articles that "fact check" my gut instinct that deporting illegal immigrants who commit violent crime will reduce the violent crime. A cursory googling will remind me that SF's ban on handguns, licensed carry, and other gun restrictions protect me. After all, if I were in danger, the police average under 8 minutes response time on top priority calls. Every time I visit my family there, and remind myself not to pack sandals because of the number needles on the ground, I pull up my bookmarked journals reminding me that we can't be hard on drug use, even in public, because that makes the problem worse.
SF is a fantastic reminder that we cannot trust our gut instinct and logic on how to deal with the problems of society.
I look forward to the peer reviewed article explaining why this is just bias and misconception of the status quo. I used to enjoy my memories of playing ultimate frisbee barefoot in Delores park, as a young teenager, with no concern over safety taking public transit. But I must remember that my memories are subject to fallacies of their own. Likewise, those un-scooped poops I used to see were probably human, like they are now, I just didn't realize it then, because I was so naive.
The neo-liberal politics of finding, or creating the studies that support the policies that "feel good" and not the ones that actually tackle problems are making the problem worse. And like a snowdrift growing on a ledge, it will continue growing, until it collapses into an avalanche. The longer we let it grow, the more casualties we will see when the correction arrives.
I have family that's now leaving the city. Chesa Boudin and his policies was their personal tipping point
"Boudin was born in New York City to Jewish parents. His parents, Kathy Boudin and David Gilbert, were Weather Underground members, both convicted of murder."[1]
"The thing I have noticed is when the anecdotes and the data disagree, the anecdotes are usually right. There's something wrong with the way you are measuring it," - Jeff Bezos
Its funny, the comment adjacent to yours is one where Krakow Poland is shown as a paradise compared to SF. So please, go over to that thread and tell them how safer Krakow could be with unlimited guns, a insane war on drugs and the removal of their welfare system.
I don't think there are actually any studies cited for any of those. In fact, it's well known that local gun laws are nearly useless. NYC makes it nearly impossible to buy a gun but they are easily bought in bulk an hour or two drive in any direction.
Immigrant policy is mostly based on humanitarian grounds. But I'd still be surprised if it's actually a major driver of crime. Violent crime in higher nationwide than every developed nation by a huge margin. Our lack of healthcare, for-profit opioid sales and the endless flow of firearms are the things I'd point to.
I've never seen anyone call Chesa Boudin "neoliberal" before. Actually I haven't even seen anyone call "neoliberal" policies not right-wing enough. Very innovative post.
I'll share my experience as a proud SF resident of 6 years. The quality of life here decreased dramatically through 2020 for obvious reasons. Now, it seems like the city is much more alive. Restaurants, bars, etc are all open, parks are packed. The weather is still great. My coworkers are moving back to the Bay Area now, and we're all very excited to get to hang out again. Overall I'm much happier now than I was 6 months ago.
That being said, the most upsetting thing has been the loss of my friends who have left SF over the last year and a half to move other places. Losing your friends and community is much worse than losing a coffee shop. This is, to me, the biggest downside of SF: it's a temporary stopover for most people, and your roots will always be lain in thin soil.
I find it weird how everyone wants to point their fingers at politicians or the police as if these are the forces that created this mess, as if those groups simply snapped their fingers then the economic conditions that perpetuate homelessness would magically disappear.
Everyone wants someone else to make the problem go away for them, that they shouldn't have to play any part in that because they pay taxes, and all the while they're also lobbying the city to keep housing density low out of some absurd privileged need to preserve a broken status quo of what they think an idyllic neighborhood ought to be.
It's incredibly ironic how in America we've recreated the very thing that Americans were trying to escape from in Europe -a landed aristocracy.
It would be nice if they voted in new people (read: republicans) based on this. I think the city would be improved with some different ideas in government.
The same as with vancouver, San Francisco and Los Angeles are both some of the rare large cities in the USA where a homeless person can live a fully outdoor lifestyle year-round and not risk freezing to death.
This is often repeated, but the entirety of the US south is warm year-round and the proportion of unhoused homeless is much lower in all those southern cities. Clearly there is something else at play on the west coast that resists housing the homeless.
The problem is that taxes are already fairly high. Throwing more money at the problem is not going to fix these issues. Bad administration is bad administration no matter how much money you burn.
Except the issue is that there is a tragedy of commons, as SF increases resources for homeless more and more homeless flock to the city thus requiring ever increasing amount of resources. I am honestly not sure what to do other than support more nationwide solutions.
> I wonder what percentage of residents support the tax increases necessary to provide such services
It depends on how the question is phrased.
Few people want to pay more taxes.
Most people want a better society, not just for themselves, for everyone, since we are all connected.
The art of good government is asking the question in a way that shines a light to where 51% of people will dare to go, that many of the remainder will tolerat.
SFDC and others could make a big difference by hiring some homeless workers with a dedicated program. Half of the battle is for dignity and a decent resume. There are plenty of people with college degrees on the streets. Simple changes like not requiring a permanent address on job applications and payroll allowing cash cards as a deposit option (many payroll services do support this) are powerful enablers for people who need a hand up.
Chesa Boudin was elected in November 2019 on a progressive platform centered on ending mass incarceration. DA Boudin personally understands the impact of incarceration; both of his parents were incarcerated (for Murder) throughout his childhood and his father is still in prison.
San Francisco residents deserve to reap the fruits of their Prophet.
San Francisco has some of the most expensive real estate in the country. [1] When I lived in the San Francisco Bay Area like two decades back and looked at housing prices there, SROs[2] were like $1000/month or so. That's a single room, not an apartment.
San Francisco has really lovely weather most of the year. It has highly desirable weather if you are homeless: Not much rain and mild temperatures year round.[3]
I think California is currently the dumping ground for a lot of America's homeless. I have heard that homelessness is down in other states and up in California.
I think part of what happens is people go there because the weather is very homeless-friendly and then get stuck in part because housing costs are so high in California. I think California will not really solve its homeless problem until the entire US decides to resolve our lack of affordable housing.[4]
I spent nearly six years homeless, most of it in California. I left the state to get back into housing. I have six years of college and yadda, so what I was able to pull off may not be what most homeless people can do for themselves in the face of a broken system.
(Edit: years before I was ever homeless, I took a college class from SFSU called Homelessness and Public Policy. The above paragraph was intended to suggest I'm somewhat knowledgeable about the topic.)
I am still dirt poor and trying to establish an adequate income while being told it's somehow my fault that my poverty is intractable and no amount of rebutting the myriad explanations for how it is somehow my fault ever seems to really change the situation.
I've been repeating a lot of this for years on HN, seemingly to no avail. I'm frankly amazingly exhausted at this point.
The same thing has happened in Portland and Seattle, both cities with increasing amounts of property crime, increasing amounts of homeless campers taking up public spaces, increasing amounts of harassment from vagrants, widespread open drug-abuse, increasing amounts of blight as pristine greenbelts are trashed, and a revolving door of criminals who are released into the public without consequence by a permissive city leadership. Calls for "restorative justice" always mean being soft on crime, which removes deterrents for crime, and therefore enable increased crime. It's all so obvious and predictable, but these cities are such extreme political echo chambers that no other perspective is really represented or considered at all.
In Seattle, these policies were spurred on by motivated progressive activists who aggressively shouted down all dissent in protests, council meetings, and in social media. The rush of transplants from outside Washington state changed local politics significantly over the last decade, importing a lot of SF's policies as the voting constituency changed. As a result, Seattle experiences all the same blight SF does, but with a time delay of a few years. There have been a couple great documentaries about the deterioration in Seattle such as "Seattle is Dying" (https://youtu.be/bpAi70WWBlw) and "The Fight for the Soul of Seattle" (https://youtu.be/WijoL3Hy_Bw) that provide a great overview of the issues. The business community also wrote two comprehensive reports about the failure of restorative justice policies as well, called "System Failure" (https://downtownseattle.org/files/advocacy/system-failure-pr...) and "System Failure 2" (https://downtownseattle.org/files/advocacy/System-Failure-Pa...).
The response from city leadership? Gaslighting, denial, and absolute arrogance (https://www.seattle.gov/cityattorney/news/seattle-isnt-dying) as they continue to ignore the needs of tax-paying law-abiding residents in favor of vocal activists and criminals. I don't think long-time residents have any confidence that Seattle will return to the peaceful, beautiful city it once was given how things have changed and how they continue to get worse. It's gotten to the point where even businesses have just given up and don't report crimes (https://mynorthwest.com/1538741/uwajimaya-seattle-prolific-o...), which results in skewed crime figures that don't tell the real story. And just like SF, now businesses have begun closing stores due to unchecked criminality (https://komonews.com/news/local/bartell-drugs-closing-in-dow...).
As someone else said, you get the results you vote for. Change needs to happen from the bottom-up starting with the people who keep voting for these failed policies and the politicians behind them.
[+] [-] burlesona|4 years ago|reply
It’s a tough situation. At the end of the day, mental health shouldn’t fall to any one city to be responsible for, but we have to start somewhere. I hope for the best and that SF can come up with an effective way to help people off the streets.
[+] [-] ergocoder|4 years ago|reply
I don't know what the solution is, but calling these petty/non-violent feels like an unfair take.
A victim is often traumatized about this kind of experiences, but that is never taken into account.
I feel San Francisco is such a screwed up place. But many would disagree with me.
I don't live there anymore, but it seems people there like restorative justice, and outsiders should help cheer for that to see whether it will work. We need this kind of experiments anyway.
Whether it works or not, it will be a great experience to learn for outsiders... So... Go Chesa Boudin! Fighto! We support you 200%!
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[+] [-] Consultant32452|4 years ago|reply
The problem is people with options leave. They might be willing to help but not at the cost of their own children.
The thing 2020 taught me is 90% of the population considers me an acceptable sacrifice. I’m going to have to live with that now and act accordingly.
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[+] [-] khazhoux|4 years ago|reply
The homelessness problem has been growing for the last 15 years (I mean, before that too, but I remember never being shocked in the early 2000s like I always am today), whereas the "Defund" thing is only in the last year.
The homelessness crisis is not caused by a lack of police enforcement.
[+] [-] nemothekid|4 years ago|reply
It's the fact that you see an issue like homelessness and think "this is what we pay the police for", that blinds you to the actual grievances of the protestors. Instead of actually addressing issue, most Americans have developed the crutch of just calling the police who have just opted to either move the issue or throw the homeless in jail. It's sort of frustrating that on Hacker News people haven't done anymore than surface level research into the grievances behind "defund the police". A lot of their argument seems to stem to the fact that many problems they face are relegated to police (who have the funding) when things like housing and mental health services should be funded instead.
San Francisco's problem (and, I'd argue the "true" motivation behind the restorative justice) is that the city can no longer afford to in-prison more people for basic offenses. The housing problem has now extended to prisons and I believe COVID exasperated that issue as people wanted to avoid having overcrowded prisons. That plus the massively reduced city traffic has had homeless people claim a lot of open spaces. At this point I don't think funding more police departments would put a dent in the issue.
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[+] [-] techrat|4 years ago|reply
https://i.imgur.com/8xlOIW9.png
The whole point of defunding the police is to get the funding back to where it belongs.
https://citymonitor.ai/government/the-reality-of-us-city-bud... - The reality of US city budgets: Police funding eclipses most other agencies’
[+] [-] tolbish|4 years ago|reply
Equating police reform with being anti-police plays right into propaganda.
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As I was leaving SF, I watched a homeless man with no teeth pick a morsel of food out of the gutter and eat it.
I am not sure if it's a case of boiling the frog, but trust me when I say that SF has an absolutely shameful inability to solve it's problems and that a city that was no more than a crater 70 years ago absolutely shines in comparison. I would not believe it if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes.
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[+] [-] desine|4 years ago|reply
SF is a fantastic reminder that we cannot trust our gut instinct and logic on how to deal with the problems of society.
I look forward to the peer reviewed article explaining why this is just bias and misconception of the status quo. I used to enjoy my memories of playing ultimate frisbee barefoot in Delores park, as a young teenager, with no concern over safety taking public transit. But I must remember that my memories are subject to fallacies of their own. Likewise, those un-scooped poops I used to see were probably human, like they are now, I just didn't realize it then, because I was so naive.
The neo-liberal politics of finding, or creating the studies that support the policies that "feel good" and not the ones that actually tackle problems are making the problem worse. And like a snowdrift growing on a ledge, it will continue growing, until it collapses into an avalanche. The longer we let it grow, the more casualties we will see when the correction arrives.
I have family that's now leaving the city. Chesa Boudin and his policies was their personal tipping point
[+] [-] ubertoop|4 years ago|reply
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chesa_Boudin
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Immigrant policy is mostly based on humanitarian grounds. But I'd still be surprised if it's actually a major driver of crime. Violent crime in higher nationwide than every developed nation by a huge margin. Our lack of healthcare, for-profit opioid sales and the endless flow of firearms are the things I'd point to.
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That being said, the most upsetting thing has been the loss of my friends who have left SF over the last year and a half to move other places. Losing your friends and community is much worse than losing a coffee shop. This is, to me, the biggest downside of SF: it's a temporary stopover for most people, and your roots will always be lain in thin soil.
[+] [-] w_TF|4 years ago|reply
Everyone wants someone else to make the problem go away for them, that they shouldn't have to play any part in that because they pay taxes, and all the while they're also lobbying the city to keep housing density low out of some absurd privileged need to preserve a broken status quo of what they think an idyllic neighborhood ought to be.
It's incredibly ironic how in America we've recreated the very thing that Americans were trying to escape from in Europe -a landed aristocracy.
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I’m unclear what policies they’d bring except more bashing in homeless skulls?
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Straw man fallacy. Why do you jump to the conclusion that the problem is financial. SF is among the top 5 richest cities in US.
You really have to prove that the problem is financing, before you make the argument you made.
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https://oewd.org/community-benefit-districts
[+] [-] wombatmobile|4 years ago|reply
It depends on how the question is phrased.
Few people want to pay more taxes.
Most people want a better society, not just for themselves, for everyone, since we are all connected.
The art of good government is asking the question in a way that shines a light to where 51% of people will dare to go, that many of the remainder will tolerat.
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San Francisco residents deserve to reap the fruits of their Prophet.
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There were occasions when I went to SF for business snd never came out of the car, becauee of how dirty the city is.
This is absolutely understandable!
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San Francisco has really lovely weather most of the year. It has highly desirable weather if you are homeless: Not much rain and mild temperatures year round.[3]
I think California is currently the dumping ground for a lot of America's homeless. I have heard that homelessness is down in other states and up in California.
I think part of what happens is people go there because the weather is very homeless-friendly and then get stuck in part because housing costs are so high in California. I think California will not really solve its homeless problem until the entire US decides to resolve our lack of affordable housing.[4]
I spent nearly six years homeless, most of it in California. I left the state to get back into housing. I have six years of college and yadda, so what I was able to pull off may not be what most homeless people can do for themselves in the face of a broken system.
(Edit: years before I was ever homeless, I took a college class from SFSU called Homelessness and Public Policy. The above paragraph was intended to suggest I'm somewhat knowledgeable about the topic.)
I am still dirt poor and trying to establish an adequate income while being told it's somehow my fault that my poverty is intractable and no amount of rebutting the myriad explanations for how it is somehow my fault ever seems to really change the situation.
I've been repeating a lot of this for years on HN, seemingly to no avail. I'm frankly amazingly exhausted at this point.
[1] Contrary to what internet strangers like to tell me, cost of housing and homelessness are related. https://streetlifesolutions.blogspot.com/2018/11/the-clear-c...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_room_occupancy
[3] https://streetlifesolutions.blogspot.com/2019/10/climate-and...
[4] https://www.geekwire.com/2018/every-100-families-living-pove...
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In Seattle, these policies were spurred on by motivated progressive activists who aggressively shouted down all dissent in protests, council meetings, and in social media. The rush of transplants from outside Washington state changed local politics significantly over the last decade, importing a lot of SF's policies as the voting constituency changed. As a result, Seattle experiences all the same blight SF does, but with a time delay of a few years. There have been a couple great documentaries about the deterioration in Seattle such as "Seattle is Dying" (https://youtu.be/bpAi70WWBlw) and "The Fight for the Soul of Seattle" (https://youtu.be/WijoL3Hy_Bw) that provide a great overview of the issues. The business community also wrote two comprehensive reports about the failure of restorative justice policies as well, called "System Failure" (https://downtownseattle.org/files/advocacy/system-failure-pr...) and "System Failure 2" (https://downtownseattle.org/files/advocacy/System-Failure-Pa...).
The response from city leadership? Gaslighting, denial, and absolute arrogance (https://www.seattle.gov/cityattorney/news/seattle-isnt-dying) as they continue to ignore the needs of tax-paying law-abiding residents in favor of vocal activists and criminals. I don't think long-time residents have any confidence that Seattle will return to the peaceful, beautiful city it once was given how things have changed and how they continue to get worse. It's gotten to the point where even businesses have just given up and don't report crimes (https://mynorthwest.com/1538741/uwajimaya-seattle-prolific-o...), which results in skewed crime figures that don't tell the real story. And just like SF, now businesses have begun closing stores due to unchecked criminality (https://komonews.com/news/local/bartell-drugs-closing-in-dow...).
More recently, we've seen these policies and political attitudes spread to bigger cities like LA and NYC. LA's district attorney George Gascon now faces a recall (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/19/us/george-gascon.html). In NYC, residents and businesses are furious because the DAs dropped charges against hundreds of looters without any charges (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9705219/Fury-New-Yo...). As for Chesa Boudin of SF, although he faces a recall, I am not confident it will succeed due to how much support he has from progressives, and because of the money pouring in to defend him from outside of SF (see https://www.sfchronicle.com/local/article/These-charts-show-...).
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