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Show HN: I built an app to improve your Vocabulary

69 points| TenJack | 14 years ago |wordstash.com | reply

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[+] ForrestN|14 years ago|reply
Constructive criticism: the visual aesthetic of the site is so busted that I (and I expect many people) would never register to try the software. Some ideas for improvement which are specifically calibrated to match your case (not rules for sites in general, obviously):

- Most of all, radically simplify. For now, I think it's better to just explain what it is and put forward a simple call to action (create your account and get started!) All of the accoutrements of a "professional website", the images with overlaid text (test tubes because it's scientific, for example) are distracting and too difficult to execute. Put all that energy into the app and market later.

- The cloud tile background is random and totally dominating. The first thing I do when I visit is cycle my eyes around the strange margins full of clouds, because they're the brightest thing on the page.

- The color palette is nuts. Pick 3 colors that you've seen together on other sites and stick to them.

- Add a little more padding to all of the various boxes you're using. In almost every case, the edge of the box is way too close to the text.

- Swap out the squirrel clip art for a word mark. Pick one of these fonts you like and write the name of the app in it:

http://www.google.com/webfonts

- Add a wrapper to the whole website if you want a margin around the fixed-width background. It looks really strange not to have consistent margins, especially with the intense background.

[+] dkarl|14 years ago|reply
I like the images with words overlaid; it's the best part of the page. It makes his site stand out from the current cookie-cutter standard. If you can get decent results (not great, but decent) without looking like everyone else the last thing you should do is adjust everything to the currently prevailing style to make your site 20% more readable but instantly forgettable at the same time.

I agree that the clouds are distracting, though.

[+] ch0wn|14 years ago|reply
"Password must contain only letters, numbers, and underscores"

Could you fix that please? There is no reason to restrict what a password may contain.

[+] rpedroso|14 years ago|reply
Agreed.

Also, up the max password length -- 20 is far too small for those who use password managers. Not that I am terribly worried about someone breaking into my WordStash account, but I don't want to have to change the settings on my password generator.

[+] TenJack|14 years ago|reply
Yes, that is a great suggestion.
[+] angdis|14 years ago|reply
Back when I was preparing for the GRE (in the early 90's), I found two things to be very useful for increasing vocabulary.

1) Anu Garg's "A Word A Day" (wordsmith.org), back then it was just a daily email subscription that emailed out an advanced vocabulary word. One per day, simple and effective back in th'day when people received a volume of email that was actually consumable in one day.

2) A buddy passed on to me a huge stack of index cards each one containing a turgid vocabulary word that you would never use in real life but that would be common on the GRE or in a George Will essay.

I recall that when I took the GRE, there were a couple of words that I would not have known if I had not prepared with the cards and at least one that was on a word a day. A few words is enough to seriously boost your GRE score and totally worth the small investment in time (a few minutes everyday for ~6 months).

[+] ecaradec|14 years ago|reply
A word of the day would be a very good way to get people enter their email and tip them to come back to the site. I'd leave my email without a thought.
[+] dkarl|14 years ago|reply
Do you have a mobile app or a mobile-optimized interface? If so, you should mention it on the front page. I use Anki for studying vocabulary, and for reviewing I use the iPhone app exclusively. I only use the web interface for managing my lists. If you want to make a few bucks, you'll have no problem getting your users to cough up money for a mobile app, because of how handy it is to review in odd moments.

(I just checked Anki in the app store, and it's priced at $25 [1]. For the record, I paid less than that when I bought it, but I would have gladly paid $25.)

Also, make sure you test and advertise your support for non-ASCII characters and non-English dictionaries.

[1] http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ankisrs/id373493387?mt=8

[+] lynaghk|14 years ago|reply
I designed a very similar spaced-repetition algorithm flashcard learning app for the Kindle (screenshots here: http://keminglabs.com/#/kindle/ ). It's in Amazon's review process at the moment, but if you have a Kindle and want to test it out I can get you a dev copy.

Tenjack---drop me a line if you want to chat about collaborating on some of this. We got our definitions from Wiktionary as well, but we're looking around for other resources.

[+] TechnoFou|14 years ago|reply
First thought on the website is that you really need a design. An average user will automatically feel troubled with the overall looks of the site.

Best example is a known war between iOS and Android. Even if the latter has more functionality most users are still appealed by the simplicity and the aesthetic of the former.

With a fresh coat of paint and some more organization, you will have an amazing little site!

[+] wzdd|14 years ago|reply
Love the idea, but the word definitions are lacking.

From the top 100 list, churlish is defined as having the qualities of a serf or peasant. This is correct, but in common usage it generally means 'surly'. Knowing the latter definition makes the word far more useful.

Similarly, epiphany (appearance of the divine) is almost always used (if you're not discussing the holiday or Christian mythology) to mean 'a sudden understanding'.

There are probably others, these were just on the first page.

[+] pwr|14 years ago|reply
1 error prohibited this user from being saved There were problems with the following fields: Password must contain only letters, numbers, and underscores
[+] wccrawford|14 years ago|reply
'IQ' already means something in this realm. Re-using it is a very bad idea.

Having to click 'next word' after each word gets old fast, and seriously slows down your studying.

This doesn't offer any way to learn the words, only to remember them. An SRS is only half of the solution for learning new things. You need a learning module for when they encounter new words.

[+] ecaradec|14 years ago|reply
Actually it seems to work for me as a way to learn words because I get the meaning of the word after failing. I don't mind clicking next because I often don't know the words (I only got 8500 at the vocabulary test earlier, so I fail quite often ).

May be the next word button should only display if you don't make a 100% score ?

The app is really useful for me actually.

[+] Inufu|14 years ago|reply
Yes, please get rid of the "next" button or at least allow me to advance with my keyboard - preferably the space key.
[+] TenJack|14 years ago|reply
Thanks for the feedback. What do you mean by learning module exactly?
[+] w1kke|14 years ago|reply
I am not a native english speaker and in my english class, the teacher always had us write one sentence using the new word we had to learn. This way we built our own context and understanding of the word. Maybe that could help in learning the words.
[+] kirbman89|14 years ago|reply
Are you tied into one of the online dictionaries via api? I had similar idea before social networking. I can see how this could take off.

If not already, make it searchable by school, class, and textbook.

Good luck.

[+] TenJack|14 years ago|reply
I'm using wiktionary for definitions. It was the best solution I could find.
[+] reidrac|14 years ago|reply
The page doesn't seem to render properly here (Firefox 5 and Chromium 12 tested).

In case it helps: http://i.imgur.com/xvEZE.png

[+] TenJack|14 years ago|reply
Woh, yea, I haven't tested in Firefox 5 and Chromium 12 at all. Thanks.
[+] nodata|14 years ago|reply
Suggestion: show the visitor what the app does, give an example without requiring the visitor to do anything. Don't require account creation straight away.
[+] TenJack|14 years ago|reply
Yea, you can demo the quiz and game features for each list without creating an account. I should make this more clear.
[+] rpedroso|14 years ago|reply
It would be nice if I could confirm that I 'know' words, and that I could opt for those words to not appear (or perhaps be grayed-out) in lists.
[+] ForrestN|14 years ago|reply
Agreed, this seems really necessary especially after the first couple of rounds of practice.
[+] Inufu|14 years ago|reply
you might want to put a different picture of you on there - it looks like you are totally stoned. Maybe you are, but that's not the point xD
[+] TenJack|14 years ago|reply
Haha, I'm not at all, but yea, I will look for another pic.
[+] Inufu|14 years ago|reply
I really like the app so far. Especially the waterfall game is cool.

I'll use it to brush up my spanish. :)

[+] kaffeinecoma|14 years ago|reply
Is there a public-domain dictionary that sites such as this use?
[+] henryw|14 years ago|reply
very nice idea. people can come up with some very cool public lists, like the http://wordstash.com/lists/167-100-words-you-should-know

just for fun here's a sentence with 11 of those words: my fatuous and vacuous chicanery in pecuniary jejune only serve to inculcate me the quotidian need to abrogate the belie of ego--my circumlocutious lexicon aside.

[+] gjm11|14 years ago|reply
Unfortunately, that isn't a sentence: "jejune" is an adjective, not a noun; "belie" is a verb, not a noun; "inculcate" takes an indirect object with "in", not a direct object. (Well, it does take a direct object, but it's the thing being inculcated, not the person it's being done to.)