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You're right. Pretending that FF and IE were doing a good job would've made for a better web today, and we shouldn't have levelled actual real substantial criticism at them for that reason. Chrome did infinitely better than both for a long time. They built the framework to take over the web by actually doing a good job first, unlike the other two players.

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pjmlp|4 years ago

Nope, you got it all backwards, it was you and others not supporting FF and IE that made this happen.

It is just like giving money to Apple and Microsoft, for UNIX and WSL, instead of buying from Linux OEMs, and then complaining about the sore state of GNU/Linux desktop.

Don't complain if the effort to change the status quo isn't taken upon yourself.

TenToedTony|4 years ago

I don't deny that. People switched to that which was the best. FF was so horrendously cluttered usability-wise and didn't improve for several years after Chrome came out. It was better than IE at the time, but that didn't take much. I moved to Chrome because it was better out of the box, on day 1. I didn't switch and then Chrome ended up being better down the line. FF and IE never realised that the appearance of speed is as important as actual speed. Nor did they realise that a clean, consistent, intuitive UI is paramount. If you're going to pretend that people should stick with the worse product because a better one might turn out evil down the line then you're fooling yourself. The only thing that had to happen was that FF, IE, or anyone, came by with a better alternative to Chrome. No one did. This is not the fault of the user base.

Riverheart|4 years ago

I don't think it's comparable. Firefox used to be very popular before Chrome. Linux has never had substantial marketshare. People switched away for a multitude of reasons but very few appear to have been using Firefox because of privacy concerns, only that it was better than IE. If privacy is the best pitch I have to convince the average user to use Firefox instead of Chrome, I'm at the limit of how much I can help Mozilla push their agenda.