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pjmlp|4 years ago

I lost any hope when GNOME developers decided to kill Glade and started suggesting that developers should code raw .ui files directly.

https://blogs.gnome.org/christopherdavis/2020/11/19/glade-no...

Thankfully KDE is still around, but many seem to not appreciate the UI design tooling provided by Qt, because $$$$.

So I rather waste my time on Earth on platforms that value good UI/UX tooling.

_d7dt|4 years ago

Please don't assume bad faith. Glade was not "killed," there are technical reasons why Glade cannot be used for GTK4 (I can give more detail if you want). There is currently a new tool being developed by a Glade maintainer, catch this guadec talk later this month if you want to know more: https://events.gnome.org/event/9/contributions/191/

Nobody is particularly happy about having to edit the XML directly but it's the best option right now until the new tools stabilize.

mumblemumble|4 years ago

Linus recently said something that left me thinking that Linux on the desktop has much deeper problems that need to be addressed before it's worth even thinking about the fine details of GUI toolkits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzl1B7nB9Kc

qwerty456127|4 years ago

Yet Linux worked perfectly for me and many people/offices I migrated to it (they didn't need any Windows-only apps) during the recent decade. Since about half that time Windows and Mac users don't even have to learn nor tolerate anything - everything is familiar (today users of Ubuntu should better learn GNOME3 workspaces though but that's not necessary) and eye-candy.

So I really have zero idea of what problems might he mean. Besides lack of native Photoshop and Visual Studio the only thing which always annoyed me in desktop Linux were NumLock quirks. There was also a problem with games but apparently it's not the case any more.

rodelrod|4 years ago

> Linus recently said

At DebConf 2014

criddell|4 years ago

I used to think so too. Around 2005 I finally accepted that Linux on the desktop is what it is and not much will change.

qwerty456127|4 years ago

Then, in just some years, everything changed: Wireless drivers became flawless out of the box (it could take a day to make WiFi work in 2007). Unity emerged, took some years to mature and Linux has became really like Mac but even better in many aspects (and slightly worse in some small details advanced Mac users can miss). Windows 7 came and prepared the Windows population for the Unity panel. Then Unity died making the desktop experience slightly worse again but KDE finally matured enough to achieve even more (except I still miss Unity HUD with menu search). Today I just use XFCE with Chicago95 on Manjaro for my own hot-meets-retro pleasure, give others vanilla Ubuntu (with "restricted extras") and everybody is happy. Also Pop_OS with its user-friendly tiling integration is insanely cool (but it fails to install on some laptops where Ubuntu doesn't).

ZeroCool2u|4 years ago

Flutter desktop works shockingly well on Linux desktop in my experience. It's AOT compiled to native byte code, so it's pretty fast. I think the main weakness would be 3D applications, but I can't say for certain.

qwerty456127|4 years ago

Cool. I've been waiting for this since Flutter has been first announced. I will surely give it a try. I just hope you don't need to be fluent in Photoshop, CSS and a pack of libraries to create a basic table-and-buttons desktop app in it like that is with the web stack.

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