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vampirical | 4 years ago

Here's an archive of the Medium post so you can read it without dealing with their soft paywall: https://archive.is/uKzSZ

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native_samples|4 years ago

Thank you. The article is very reasonable. It makes limited and tight claims, mostly similar points to ones I make elsewhere in this thread: that risk is relative, under-reporting is real and so on.

At one point it claims the only vaccine to be withdrawn post-approval is for rotavirus. Perhaps he means, in the USA and only after VAERS was set up. There were other vaccines withdrawn post-rollout than that one. The CNN article I cited already is one American example but there are others. Note that "withdrawn" is a slightly vague standard, for example, in the Pandemrix case, German doctors refused to use it in Germany even though it had been approved elsewhere, which in hindsight turned out to be the right call. Does that count as withdrawn: hard to say.

My own views aren't exclusively based on VAERs. I am convinced there must be very widespread under-reporting because of how ideological vaccination has become. The reason I think this is that I keep encountering anecdotes in my daily life from people who had extremely severe reactions to the vaccine but are blowing it off as no big deal. I'm not seeking these anecdotes out. I don't ask people about their vaccines. Yet, I keep hearing about these problems anyway. For example:

Two neighbours of the parents of my partner, who both died after taking the vaccine.

A scientist I know was trying to convince me the vaccines are perfectly safe, then almost in the same breath admitted that it knocked him flat for days and made him so sick he could hardly move. That does not meet my definition of "safe".

A friend told me he'd been walking down the street when he overheard a conversation by a guy on a phone behind him. The guy was saying that someone in his close family had died days after taking the vaccine.

I had a similar experience: I overheard a conversation when people who knew each other bumped into each other near where I was sitting in a park. One of the women had clearly not been seen for a while because of severe reactions to her first dose. She described having high fever, difficulty breathing and being unable to leave her bed for a week. She also said she "thought she was dying".

Outside of daily life, I read a news story a few days ago about a guy whose wife died just days after taking the vaccine. She was perfectly healthy before, early 60s, no signs of any problems.

All this is really quite disturbing. I've never heard such a constant flow of stories about any other vaccine. Also, the symptoms people describe are very similar to actually having COVID itself, which is not a big surprise when you look at how the vaccines work. Actually the most disturbing thing is people's reactions to it. The guy whose wife died stressed in the news story that he's a big supporter of the vaccines, and just wanted people to know that some families are "affected" by it. The women who got so sick she thought she was dying went back for her second shot anyway. The scientist was telling me how perfectly, totally, undoubtably fine mRNA Tech is and how it also made him so sick he couldn't work. The point of the vaccines is to stop people getting sick! But, they've been presented as a moral issue, one of collectivist responsibility, and governments have all committed themselves to vaccines-or-bust. I quite simply do not believe we have anything approaching valid data on how dangerous these things are.