[markzzerella]

>the whole point of society is that we don't need this ridiculous "natural" nonsense. We beat it. It can stay outside. We replaced it with society.

When the silent part is said out loud. "We" didn't beat anything, and "we" certainly aren't gods that managed to counter natural law, despite the current zeitgeist that likes to pretend it is so.

Humans are predators, and to pretend otherwise will be the folly of our species. One need not look any further than the political, corporate, or social elite to see what predators look like in so-called civilized society.

[TheRealPomax]

What a wonderfully Machiavellian and incomplete argument, given the history of societies all the way up to today. You'll go far, kid.

Next time though, don't make the classic mistake of talking about the group by talking about individuals in the group. Society is, and this one's confusing if no one taught you this before, not the same as the sum of the behaviour of individuals in that society. They're entirely different rungs on the ladder of abstraction.

[markzzerella]

Clever condescension, you'll go a long way with intellect like that, kid.

Nice job dropping 'given history' in there, you win! History shows that is a fantastic argument and adds significant value to your post.

Next time, though, try to use that big brain of yours to figure out how to address what I said instead of resorting to reddit level dialog and a straw man.

Did you genuinely believe that I was referring to every individual human? That's an awfully Machiavellian take on what I said.

Unfounded assertion: "redheaded humans aren't real"

Illustration counter to assertion (not an argument): "Of course humans have red hair, just google 'natural redhead'"

Society is, and this might be confusing if nobody's taught you this before, filled with people with disproportionate amounts of power, whether social, capital, political, corporate, legal, or other. This might be scary to your sensibilities, but predators are attracted to positions of power. I don't think anyone of consequence disagrees with this.

We obviously agree here, because you based your entire straw man on the fact that they don't represent every single human everywhere.

I would however like to understand how you think we beat 'natural law' and the predators with this mythical society when you also think that they are the richest and most powerful in said society.

Society "beat" predators? I think most people who have been victims of systemic or institutional oppression would disagree here. I know every police victim I have worked with sure would.

Or maybe I'm wrong and they are all just misunderstood when they beat, steal, lie, and kill the underclass while they destroy our planet and laugh about it.

[wizzwizz4]

> Humans are predators,

Look at our teeth. We're actually omnivorous.

[fogihujy]

Foraging scavengers, who figured out that the stone used to crack skulls of already-dead animals could also crack the one of animals that were still alive.

[markzzerella]

Carnivores and predators are different things.