The best advice I have for people is to stop buying inkjet printers. For 95% of people, you are not printing enough to go through the ink before it dries.
I have had the same Brother laser printer for about 15 years and it may be the most reliable piece of technology I have ever owned.
As an added bonus water doesn’t destroy laser prints like it does inkjet prints. I bought a color laser many years ago to print topographical maps when I go into the backcountry because they don’t get damaged when I have to take them out of the ziploc bag I use as a map case. Anything printed with ink gets ruined.
I bought a brother laser printer also and have been using the demo cartridge that came with it for the past three years. It's still printing, and I've printed several books with it.
Mostly agree but the release of "Tank Inkjet" printers has radically changed the economics. You ARE an idiot if you still own or buy an ink cartridge-based inkjet printer.
But yes, I go with both B/W and color laser printers mostly.
There are times when inkjet can give improved color rendering but on the right computer, you can get close to gamut even on newer color laser printers.
I just bought a new printer and got me the Epson EcoTank. No more printer on subsidy. You a a bit more but it got delivered with a set of ink bottles (no more cartridges) and now that I filled it I should be able to print for the next 3 years (that's how much ink these bottles contain). The ink is not super cheap but then again: they contain 10 times more ink than the old cartridges...
I have one too. Prints very nice (bought it mainly to print photos at home), ink consumption is minimal.
But the pritnt head carriage started to be dirty with ink and leaving dark smudges on the paper. The cleaning pad is soaked with ink. It is not user-replaceable. The waste ink container is nearly empty (less than 1/4). From time to time I have to suck out the excess ink with paper towels and clean the head carriage.
Maybe I do not use it frequenly enough to pump the waste ink to the container? I'm just guessing, based on the ink pad and waste container position and hose routing it can't be gravity based. There may be some kind of peristaltic pump powered by the paper feed axle (as it rotates the paper feed rollers vigorously during self-cleaning)
But doesn't the ink still dry up over time? An EcoTank seems like it increases the likelihood of lines or jets clogging and causing malfunctions, especially if you use older and older ink to refill it.
I guess my expectations of printers are low -- don't need color or fancy LCD screens. So I had HP 1022n for about 2 decades now and it works wonderfully every single time. Just need to replace toner cartridge every 2-5 years, but they're cheap.
Its very hard to find another device in my home that has operated for this long without becoming obsolete or breaking down. Even my AC unit is obsolete by current efficiency standards.
I've realized I don't need a printer at all anymore. The rare times I've need to print something I just do it at the public library. I've printed probably 10 sheets in the past 3 years.
I used to feel the same way until I took an unused printer from my office. Now I print a ton of things. Return labels, invitations, envelopes, signed documents, contracts, etc.
I feel similarly, hardly ever print anything, but when I need to print I REALLY need to print.
The frustrating thing is the cartridges are often dried up, the printer needs calibrating, or worst of all, the rubber rollers that feed the paper no longer grip the paper properly and cause serial jams.
I remember when I got access to the Apple LaserWriter II at my dad’s work for the first time. Until then all I had access to had been dot matrix printers at school. As fun as folding springs from the side tabs was, this new printer opened so many doors for me. Illustrator (of the Aldus variety) drawings came out perfectly. School papers looked good. I couldn’t get over what I could now do.
I still have a deep fondness for laser printers and I’ve never owned anything else. As the article notes, they ‘just work’, and the results allow near-perfect reproduction really quickly.
I have an Epson inkjet with refillable ink. Cheap and easy to add ink, lovely photos (which I actually print a lot of - for elderly relatives). Only complaint is that I need to connect it over 2.4Ghz
I am increasingly convinced that a great deal about inkjet pricing models results from an undeclared subsidy for the manufacture of print heads.
I have two inkjets. One is a base-tier HP AIO from about 2015. While I get the ink for ~free, if I paid MSRP for it, a full set of four replacement cartridges (including built-in, disposable heads) is $160.
The other is a Canon Pixma Pro 100. A full replacement set of eight ink tanks for it costs $100. The print head is a separate part. It costs $350.
I get the HP ink for ~free via "Instant Ink", whose wholly per-page subscription pricing model works out extremely well for me because I print photos on it - each sheet comes out full of ink, so the unit economics are as strongly in my favor as they would be in HP's if I used that printer for documents. The other side of the Instant Ink deal is, new cartridge sets come with packaging that you use to ship back the spent ones, which are refilled and shipped back out to other subscribers.
Every time that happens, it's a set of print heads that doesn't have to be manufactured anew, and the wild variance in parts cost from the Canon suggests strongly to me that this is the hidden variable which makes the Instant Ink unit economics work out as well for HP as they do for me, even though they are giving me the ink.
It makes sense that this should be the case, given the oft-repeated truism that printer consumables subsidize the loss leader of the printer itself. What I don't understand is why no one who actually participates in the "printer ink costs more than gold" discourse ever talks about this. Either I'm way off base here, or there's some folks out there who haven't noticed something that by now you'd think they would have - I mean yeah, this article mentions heads, but briefly, and seems not to notice the manufacturing cost that goes in the trash every time anyone throws out a cartridge with a built-in head.
(If anyone's curious, I also have a cheap monochrome laser, which I use to print documents and book blocks - it's been very reliable so far, but isn't really designed for the heavy use I give it, and I suspect that when its fuser wears out I'm going to replace it and strip it down for parts because, just as with the $100 Canon and its $350 print head, buying a new loss-leader printer entirely will prove cheaper than buying that replacement part.)
A couple of decades ago I did tech support for HP, and one of the stand out features of the HP cartridges was the print head that would be replaced every time you swapped it.
I’m curious if they refurbish the head or just replace it on a recycled cartridge.
What a disgusting and condescending article. Basically saying we should be grateful that printer companies give us cheap printers so they can bleed us for the ink.
Printers suck because it's the only physical thing we ask computers to do, and it's a difficult thing. But that doesn't excuse the fact that printer companies don't give a single shit about the user experience.
My favorite part about printers is I can pay less for a printer that makes physical objects by moving a plate up and down in a vat of UV curing resin at the resolution of 0.01mm and does so perfectly every time, than a machine that is pretty much the equivalent of banging rocks together to spit ink onto a piece of paper that will still fail more often.
If I were king for a day I would simply ban printer makers from selling ink/toner/cartridges. This would fix practically all of the perverse incentives currently plaguing the printer industry. For that matter I'd also ban cellular carriers from selling phones.
Just somewhat related, I have both an inkjet printer and a 3D one, and came to a realization that it should be very easy to combine both in the same device.
I would buy it just for the space savings, never mind the $$ saved.
You might be surprised to learn there are 3D printers with what is essentially a inkjet print head in them to do full colour 3D prints. Search up, Mimaki, HP Jet Fusion and ColorJet technology to start.
Sadly you can't use them for printing on paper though!
Anecdotally, I have a 10 year old Samsung wireless printer. I buy knockoff toner and cheap paper. It has 12128 pages on the counter. It just works 99% of the time. Is this unexpected?
> Unhelpful customer support, making it impossible to troubleshoot problems anyway
Sadly this is by explicit intention. I used to work at HP and got involved with the printer group because of their policies - they were and probably still are mostly horrible, greedy people with small minds!
We were one of the other "B2B" organizations so we routinely talked to customers because 99% of our sales were direct face-to-face (and they still are today since the split). So we were happy to let customers contact us and our web site had that provision.
The printer group absolutely did NOT want to ever talk to customers. It was worse than customers being lepers in 1 AD!!
Some of the arguments given to us included:
* "That's why we have channels - so we don't have to talk to customers"
* "It costs us the margin of 14.3 DeskJets to even look at an e-mail from one customer. It's not worth it!" They never asked or cared about how many fewer customer issues might be addressed to avoid attempts to contact with some modest Pareto sorting
* They said it was "too hard" to sort and categorize messages that came in (this being the COMPUTER/Printer organizations) and we were only a measurement division.
I wrote a text scanning system in about a week to do exactly that (an early NN/ML system) and it would output: Organization, Product Number (most people were really good about including enough information to arrive at that), Product Line, Product Line Manager, Product Line Support Contact. So
I used it on our incoming messages and then on the poor souls who couldn't find contact info for printers who contacted us. And it worked just fine. I just got several corporate databases which would key off of product numbers. 99% accurate in summarizing and scanning to that.
So next meeting I brought up the issue of "printer customers contacting us", they repeated the same excuses, and handed out that months summary and detailed referable messages for their products. They didn't like that - definitely a f-ck you on my part. I then summarized what that report meant for this business (I don't suffer fools well) which included: CompuUSA failing to uphold their channel contract which required they deliver warrantee services, and a major design flaw in one of the DeskJets that was causing massive failures in the field. They had no clue about any of this! Because they didn't want to talk to customers. Nor even engage their channel partners regularly!
I also happened to sit next to the marketing guy in charge of that product: he actually knew before it shipped. His "plan" (because I overheard him brag about it) was to get as much revenue in to get promoted and then it would be his replacement's problem. The very antithesis of the HP Way - fuck him!
All of this is why, despite being a long-time customer of and ex-employee of HP, I'd NEVER buy HP printers or computers nor would I even accept them as gifts! Hell NO!
There are competing companies out there that actually care about quality and customer value. That is NOT HP Inc. nor HP Ent.
[+] [-] legitster|4 years ago|reply
I have had the same Brother laser printer for about 15 years and it may be the most reliable piece of technology I have ever owned.
[+] [-] jschwartzi|4 years ago|reply
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[+] [-] xyzzy21|4 years ago|reply
But yes, I go with both B/W and color laser printers mostly.
There are times when inkjet can give improved color rendering but on the right computer, you can get close to gamut even on newer color laser printers.
[+] [-] peteri|4 years ago|reply
The problem with Ink jets is that the ink dries up and clogs before I get to use them. So far the Canon hasn't missed a beat.
[+] [-] sireat|4 years ago|reply
I still have not changed the cartridge 13 years later!
I am starting to get worried that all the cartridge refill shops will go out of business before I get a chance to do a refill.
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[+] [-] janci|4 years ago|reply
But the pritnt head carriage started to be dirty with ink and leaving dark smudges on the paper. The cleaning pad is soaked with ink. It is not user-replaceable. The waste ink container is nearly empty (less than 1/4). From time to time I have to suck out the excess ink with paper towels and clean the head carriage.
Maybe I do not use it frequenly enough to pump the waste ink to the container? I'm just guessing, based on the ink pad and waste container position and hose routing it can't be gravity based. There may be some kind of peristaltic pump powered by the paper feed axle (as it rotates the paper feed rollers vigorously during self-cleaning)
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[+] [-] karaterobot|4 years ago|reply
This article didn't explain anything! Printers suck because they are technology, and they have a business model. Okay, thanks NYT.
[+] [-] MrVitaliy|4 years ago|reply
Its very hard to find another device in my home that has operated for this long without becoming obsolete or breaking down. Even my AC unit is obsolete by current efficiency standards.
[+] [-] salamandersauce|4 years ago|reply
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[+] [-] crispyambulance|4 years ago|reply
The frustrating thing is the cartridges are often dried up, the printer needs calibrating, or worst of all, the rubber rollers that feed the paper no longer grip the paper properly and cause serial jams.
I end up printing at fedex/kinkos.
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[+] [-] stuart78|4 years ago|reply
I still have a deep fondness for laser printers and I’ve never owned anything else. As the article notes, they ‘just work’, and the results allow near-perfect reproduction really quickly.
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[+] [-] outsidetheparty|4 years ago|reply
Body: “There’s not a good reason for this”
[+] [-] throwanem|4 years ago|reply
I have two inkjets. One is a base-tier HP AIO from about 2015. While I get the ink for ~free, if I paid MSRP for it, a full set of four replacement cartridges (including built-in, disposable heads) is $160.
The other is a Canon Pixma Pro 100. A full replacement set of eight ink tanks for it costs $100. The print head is a separate part. It costs $350.
I get the HP ink for ~free via "Instant Ink", whose wholly per-page subscription pricing model works out extremely well for me because I print photos on it - each sheet comes out full of ink, so the unit economics are as strongly in my favor as they would be in HP's if I used that printer for documents. The other side of the Instant Ink deal is, new cartridge sets come with packaging that you use to ship back the spent ones, which are refilled and shipped back out to other subscribers.
Every time that happens, it's a set of print heads that doesn't have to be manufactured anew, and the wild variance in parts cost from the Canon suggests strongly to me that this is the hidden variable which makes the Instant Ink unit economics work out as well for HP as they do for me, even though they are giving me the ink.
It makes sense that this should be the case, given the oft-repeated truism that printer consumables subsidize the loss leader of the printer itself. What I don't understand is why no one who actually participates in the "printer ink costs more than gold" discourse ever talks about this. Either I'm way off base here, or there's some folks out there who haven't noticed something that by now you'd think they would have - I mean yeah, this article mentions heads, but briefly, and seems not to notice the manufacturing cost that goes in the trash every time anyone throws out a cartridge with a built-in head.
(If anyone's curious, I also have a cheap monochrome laser, which I use to print documents and book blocks - it's been very reliable so far, but isn't really designed for the heavy use I give it, and I suspect that when its fuser wears out I'm going to replace it and strip it down for parts because, just as with the $100 Canon and its $350 print head, buying a new loss-leader printer entirely will prove cheaper than buying that replacement part.)
[+] [-] sircastor|4 years ago|reply
I’m curious if they refurbish the head or just replace it on a recycled cartridge.
[+] [-] Grakel|4 years ago|reply
Printers suck because it's the only physical thing we ask computers to do, and it's a difficult thing. But that doesn't excuse the fact that printer companies don't give a single shit about the user experience.
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I would buy it just for the space savings, never mind the $$ saved.
[+] [-] a5withtrrs|4 years ago|reply
Sadly you can't use them for printing on paper though!
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Sadly this is by explicit intention. I used to work at HP and got involved with the printer group because of their policies - they were and probably still are mostly horrible, greedy people with small minds!
We were one of the other "B2B" organizations so we routinely talked to customers because 99% of our sales were direct face-to-face (and they still are today since the split). So we were happy to let customers contact us and our web site had that provision.
The printer group absolutely did NOT want to ever talk to customers. It was worse than customers being lepers in 1 AD!!
Some of the arguments given to us included:
* "That's why we have channels - so we don't have to talk to customers"
* "It costs us the margin of 14.3 DeskJets to even look at an e-mail from one customer. It's not worth it!" They never asked or cared about how many fewer customer issues might be addressed to avoid attempts to contact with some modest Pareto sorting
* They said it was "too hard" to sort and categorize messages that came in (this being the COMPUTER/Printer organizations) and we were only a measurement division.
I wrote a text scanning system in about a week to do exactly that (an early NN/ML system) and it would output: Organization, Product Number (most people were really good about including enough information to arrive at that), Product Line, Product Line Manager, Product Line Support Contact. So I used it on our incoming messages and then on the poor souls who couldn't find contact info for printers who contacted us. And it worked just fine. I just got several corporate databases which would key off of product numbers. 99% accurate in summarizing and scanning to that.
So next meeting I brought up the issue of "printer customers contacting us", they repeated the same excuses, and handed out that months summary and detailed referable messages for their products. They didn't like that - definitely a f-ck you on my part. I then summarized what that report meant for this business (I don't suffer fools well) which included: CompuUSA failing to uphold their channel contract which required they deliver warrantee services, and a major design flaw in one of the DeskJets that was causing massive failures in the field. They had no clue about any of this! Because they didn't want to talk to customers. Nor even engage their channel partners regularly!
I also happened to sit next to the marketing guy in charge of that product: he actually knew before it shipped. His "plan" (because I overheard him brag about it) was to get as much revenue in to get promoted and then it would be his replacement's problem. The very antithesis of the HP Way - fuck him!
All of this is why, despite being a long-time customer of and ex-employee of HP, I'd NEVER buy HP printers or computers nor would I even accept them as gifts! Hell NO!
There are competing companies out there that actually care about quality and customer value. That is NOT HP Inc. nor HP Ent.