We've been hearing about surplus for several years now, and yet the price of weed is going up, not down. I regularly see $400 retail ounces in Oregon for top shelf.
Supply/demand should push the price to the floor with this Surplus gargantus, and yet prices continue to climb.
It's like ECON 101 doesn't apply to pot. What are they going to do? Dump it in ocean?
What I want to know is how retail is maintaining these obviously, artificially high prices in a crazy-lopsided buyer's market?
Collusion is the only explanation I have. They're all just colluding to prevent price collapse.
So wait, they're holding (and destroying!) massive quantities to keep the price of medical marijuana "34% higher" than the black market price, then acting surprised that their product isn't moving?
> Forced, in most cases, to sell to a provincial wholesaler along with everyone else in the sector
Okay I know nothing about Canada's cannabis market, but who thought that could possibly be a good idea?
You're misreading. They're not being ordered to destroy crops in order to support the medical marijuana price. They're destroying crops because there was a bubble and they've created way too much supply.
Cannabis stocks were a fad for a while, and I know lots of people who invested in them blindly. The number of legal cannabis retailers is exploding. I live in a mid sized town and there are three more opening this month, and the ones I see always have customers.
The system's hardly failing, some speculators just played themselves.
> A recent survey conducted by Abacus Data for Medical Cannabis Canada found that those who access medical cannabis legally pay on average 34 percent more for their medicine than if they bought from the unregulated market.
I’m unfamiliar with the weed market in general, but it seems like this problem is self-inflicted.
They’re simultaneously oversupplied and overpriced. Lower prices and both problems sort themselves out, plus they can slowly out-compete the illegal sellers by undercutting their pricing.
It seems the real problem is that they are afraid to cut their margins because it would break their financial models and risk the stock price. It’s strange that they’d rather destroy excess product than try to move it at a steep discount.
I’m also afraid this could create other problems by giving them a huge incentive to try to push more and more weed consumption among the public. Whatever your thoughts about weed, I hope we can all agree that over-consumption is not good and that it could be a problem if multi-billion dollar companies are stuck in a situation where they need to greatly increase the public’s consumption of weed to become profitable.
> those who access medical cannabis legally pay on average 34 percent more for their medicine than if they bought from the unregulated market.
I mean, that’s true with most things isn’t it? If you buy meat from the dodgy guy in a pub then it’s cheaper. Bloke selling televisions from a van? Cheaper. Cigarettes from a corner store that have been imported from a low tax country? Cheaper. Getting the electric/gas done in your house from someone who is unlicensed? Cheaper.
Not sure why we would expect this to be different.
Weed being legal is cool (and a huge deal and way overdue) but, until I moved to SF, I still bought from a dealer. It was cheaper and I got really high quality stuff, got to give feedback to the guy on the strains, chocolates, etc. Plus my guy would smoke me up for free a good amount of the time and we'd just chill and chat for a bit.
Legal weed is wayyyy more expensive in my experience and I dislike the experience. I went to an SF dispensary and it was so odd - had to give them an ID, sit there and fiddle with some ipad, etc. Presumably there's a lot of overhead with taxes, employees, property, etc.
And apparently artificially keeping prices high...
Also a somewhat damning case of "we have no idea how to value this"
I don't really smoke anymore, no time, but it was enough of a difference that the novelty of cutesy edibles wore off fairly quickly.
The regulators were way too aggressive. They overburdened farms and dispensaries to such a degree that legal sources are having a hard time competing with the black market even though dispensaries were considered essential businesses (able to stay open) through the pandemic.
Now California is bailing out the industry to the tune of $100M.
>Plus my guy would smoke me up for free a good amount of the time and we'd just chill and chat for a bit.
that was my experience with earlier weed delivery groups in SoCal as well, when recommendations were required.
A guy with a suitcase of samples would show up to your door, and offer you a sampling of everything he sold. That person would even help you light-up or vaporize the goods if you have a physical disability that prevented you from doing so yourself , or perhaps teach you how to in-case you're unfamiliar with equipment or technique.
They would sit there and smoke with you or bullshit for a few minutes about strains/strain-quality/benefits/whatever, make a sale with whatever was chosen during the sampling, and then head out the door.
Since those days medical prices have gone down significantly, but the process is now more sterile and 'mass-friendly'. Gone are the days of interactive sampling or someone teaching you how to use a bong or vaporizer -- it's now mostly all 'delivery-fied' : "give me my cash, here's your delivery that I know absolutely nothing about, and i'm gone ASAP."
It's a shame in some ways -- the earlier methods were a lot more compassionate towards actual medical patients and actual medical needs for this product -- the status in SoCal now feels more on-par with UberEats-profit-maximization than it does compassionate-care; a shame since 'weed products' have gotten way more complex with the addition of a million different tincture/extract/compound/etc and the various ways to imbibe them.
In california. I only do edibles. For $1.50 (including tax) I get 5mg so I either spend 1.50 or 3.00 when getting high on a night. Its within walking distance of my house. They do check my ID - but seems easier than dealing with a person I have to meet on a random corner. And if you were a woman or old person - that option would seem even less safe.
My yearly budget for pot if probably about $100-150 which seems remarkable low compared to my food or alcohol budget.
When it was legalized in Canada, the legal prices were pretty bad. There were also restrictions on only allowing the sale of flower (ie no edibles or concentrates IIRC).
Since then, the government has pulled up their socks. The prices are competitive, the quality is fantastic, and the doses are accurate (as opposed to a “300mg edible” actually having anywhere from 50-500mg THC).
As a result, I don’t know anyone who doesn’t buy from legal dispensaries. There still exist some grey area mail order services, but the concept of “texting your dealer” is largely extinct.
Here in the Netherlands tax for weed is really high. 50% if I recall correctly.
Not sure I hate the idea -- at least tax money is put to very good use. But for those for whom it's more than merely recreational (e.g.: medicinal use), I wish they'd sell a tax-free version. Too prone to abuse I guess.
However, heading to a coffeshop[1] isn't a big deal. It's a person behind the stand, you pic what you want from a menu, and they hand it over. Very nice and friendly, not dissimilar to ordering at a cafe.
I don't look under 25, and they've NEVER asked me for an id at any of these places. It surprised me in the US that even to sell alcohol to someone clearly over 40, they still ask for an id.
[1]: Stores that sell weed here are called "coffeeshops".
Not everyone was lucky enough to have a chill dealer. It reminds me of joe Rogans bit about how in order to buy this harmless plant you have to interact with a criminal. Oh, and commit a crime. Legalization is 100% the right thing.
You can grow it yourself or get it delivered if you hate the dispensary so much.
I hated the 'dealers system'. I didn't want to give some lowlife drug-dealer my address, nor my phone number. Neither was the idea of meeting such a person in a parking lot somewhere appealling to me at all. Consequently, I virtually never smoked weed at all until it became legally available in stores, except at parties where somebody else had it. Two or three times I bought from a dealer, and each time it confirmed all my biases about the experience.
Weed is a bit more expensive now than when I bought from a dealer, but it’s still seems very cheap for what you get out of it.
The amount of modern, high potency cannabis I can buy for the price of two beers would turn me into a complete zombie if I was even able to smoke it all in one sitting, and I’m a habitual user.
Of course, I’ve noticed a large variance in how it affects different people.
The shops on the main roads in SF have a certain aesthetic to appeal to a new audience of smokers. If the new age guru / apple store thing isn't your vibe, look for shops off main roads, they tend to be somewhere btwn the LA medicinal alleyway shop and the apple shop. Bloom Room comes to mind. Small, focused on quality, had (? pre covid) a volcano you could use on premise. It's still a store, they aren't gonna smoke you out and be your friend. But SF weed scene is not yet a techy monoculture
Once you learn the system, dispensaries are very convenient. At practically every location you can peruse the menu and place an order ahead of time. Then, at the dispensary, show ID, receive selected cannabis products.
On a gram for gram basis, legal weed may be more expensive. But most people don’t appreciate that legal weed is significantly more potent. (Not to mention the health benefit of smoking less plant material.)
The average THC content in illegal states is around 10%. High quality legal strains regularly clock in above 25%. So even if you’re paying twice as much per gram, you’re getting a better deal per mole of THC.
From my experience, there are huge differences between stores in terms of pricing and customer service. The industry is so new that just having your doors open is a license to print money, but it’ll start to standardize once banks are allowed to enter the field, permitting successful dispensary operations to scale storefronts. I just stopped at a dispensary in CA about and hour and half outside SF and picked up an ounce for $100, which is a better deal than I ever got from a dealer.
In Illinois, I felt the original medicinal stores were more warm and very friendly and helpful esp to first time users. Compassionate to first time users who are dealing with legit pain and medical issues.
Newer recreational stores have popped up everywhere with many many more to come, but the few I’ve visited are cold and the staff act like they could give a shit.
Anyone who's been in the industry knows that there is not only not enough demand, but it is also seasonal. Other than the heaviest users, people don't consume 365 days out of the year, they go through phases.
If you grow weed year round in high tech facilities that maximize production, you're going to just have massive piles of it that you cannot unload.
Making it legal didn't really create that much more demand because it was already easy enough to get in most places where there were enough consumers.
I drove through Oregon not too long ago. There is literally miles of weed shops right next door to each other. There are more weed shops than gas stations... and the gas stations usually have one right next door anyway. I have no idea how they all stay in business, but it couldn't be good.
Now this is the comparison to tulip mania that kind of works.
> There are more weed shops than gas stations... and the gas stations usually have one right next door anyway.
In Washington state [or just Seattle? I'm not sure], there are laws restricting how many square feet the signage for a weed store is allowed to have. In response to this, weed stores devised a trick where they buy up neighboring businesses and run them under the same brand name as the weed store, with very large signs. So next to "Bubba's weed store" with small signs, you have "Bubba's Car Wash" with very large signs. Anybody looking for Bubba's weed will see the huge sign for Bubba's car wash, and know they found the right spot.
I sort of question the framing here? Not yours, but the article's. There is exactly enough demand, because however much people want of a mostly harmless plant is how much people should want of that plant. Nobody turning a profit should be no surprise: farmers barely turn a profit either, because selling commodities is not a means of getting rich quick. Considering how low-risk buying pot was before legalization, it boggles the mind why anyone thought there would be a huge growth in consumption, especially when the legal product is priced so much higher that it might as well still be illegal.
As far as why such a low fraction of transactions are in the legal market: the only way to move pot transactions out off the black market would be to either make it substantially as convenient to buy it legally, or to dramatically increase enforcement against black market transactions at the same time that weed was legalized. It seems Canada did neither.
Last year lots of people planted hemp around me, as it just become legal and there was a small market opening. Very, very few of these people had any notion what it would take to harvest, process and store their crop, and no notion of how or where to market it once in.
I've seen multiple Craigslist ads attempting to sell garbage bags of wet, mouldy, untrimmed hemp. I've been told that anyone who has a sales channel has been inundated with "buy my crop" offers. Ive heard one guy had grown and harvested several acres or so and had a couple truckloads in round wrapped bales he was looking to sell.
People didn't dive into cotton farming this way, when it became viable in the area again.
One problem with processing it is that there are very low limits on dosages of edibles in Canada (currently 10mg THC per serving). I think lifting this absurd restriction would help enable those ideas.
This is a new era though where companies can survive for over a decade on hype and the promise of future profits. In fact present profits make it seem like you’re running out of room to grow.
Not that any of the companies anyone here works for work the same way.
In 2017 a good number of the VCs investing in blockchain in Vancouver, pivoted to investing in weed. I guess their investment thesis was actually "invest in things that can be sold on hype alone."
It's mostly supply side (B2B) deals, the data about crop and harvest they provide is worthless.
I could add in all the retail transactions (I just don't load them every month).
You can get it too, FOIA request to the LCB, they'll send you a link to some zip files. They drop new bits every month.
What I have heard anecdotally from people who grow is that regulations have stymied their ability to profit. In many places there are limits on how much you can grow, or how you can sell, or how much, or to whom. Illegal sales do not have any of those problems. It's like we've tied the legal producers' hands behind their backs and then wonder what all the struggling is about.
I've bought edibles and weed in Canada, mainly in Toronto. It used to be a lot stricter but now a lot less people check my ID or whatever. Overall the process feels more informal than before and less go through all these checks etc. Could be I look a bit older although I was able to buy weed at different places when I was much younger without showing my ID either back when it was stricter.
Also I've stopped calling them dispensaries because the places that sell weed have diversified, specialized or started marketing themselves with different products that it isn't just a buy weed location anymore so it's hard to put them in one category.
People buy weed in grams, eighths, quarters, ounces, and pounds typically. Not tons. I assume they went with grams because that is the most common purchase amount and people can possible get a sense of quantity.
Know a few “pot lawyers” and retail operators. The real money is in gaining a license for a dispensary. Growing is a race to the bottom. From humboldt era $5k lbs to $800 lbs
What's the advantage of handing out these licenses to companies that will then be run like a Silicon Valley start-up?
Why not just allow dispensaries to grow a small amount of their own stuff on premise, say 20Kg / month? Limit each customer to a 5g purchase. You just need a proper space and half a dozen staff (if that). No need for massive investments and all this maxed-out capitalist accounting trickery.
Legalisation should put dealers out of business on day 1. There's no way I'm going to engage in criminal activity, texting a dealer and waiting on a street corner if I can just walk over to a bar and buy what I need, super chill like it is in Holland.
Unbelievably sad they managed to screw it up so badly.
A bit off topic, but for the smokers here what are your thoughts on lung cancer and other negatives associated with smoking? I bought a vaporizer but not sure it is actually healthier than smoking joints. Tried edibles but can’t stand the lack of uniformity and time to kick in.
> A bit off topic, but for the smokers here what are your thoughts on lung cancer and other negatives associated with smoking?
No one knows if smoking weed causes lung cancer, but if it did, you'd think someone would have noticed sometime in the last 10K years.
However, everyone knows that smoking tobacco causes lung cancer. But this notion is technically not true. Smoking national brand cigarettes definitely causes lung cancer because what is in national brand cigarettes is not tobacco. It is about 50% tobacco and 50% additives, and also intentionally includes about 300 added carcinogenic chemicals to increase the addictiveness of nicotine... that is what is causing lung cancer, not natural tobacco. Pipe tobacco is just tobacco, nothing added, and pipe smoking (or rolling cigarettes from pipe tobacco), whether inhaled or not, doesn't cause lung cancer. Tongue cancer? Mouth cancer? Maybe to probably. Emphysema? A surity.
Here are a few quotes from the US Surgeon General Report on Smoking and Health[1]
No. 1103, p.112:
"Death rates for current pipe smokers were little if at all higher than for non-smokers, even with men smoking 10 pipefuls per day and with men who had smoked pipes for more than 30 years."
No. 1103, p.92
"Among the pipe smokers.... The US mortality ratios are 0.8 for non-inhalers and 1.0 for inhalers."
...which means pipe smokers who inhale live as long as nonsmokers, and pipe smokers that don’t inhale live longer than non-smokers.
Vaping is quite substantially healthier than joints/bongs. You aren't burning the material but baking it at oven temps.
I tried to get my stoner buddies into vaping and everyone's switched except the guys that are culturally infected to give up being the "joint smoking guys".
I switched from bongs to dabs and felt better cardio wise. Live resin extracts are suppsedly pretty minimal in extra stuff. I think the vape oils have a lot of extra crap. I went back to smoking for a bit though I think the dabs are to potent and I was getting panic attacks
[+] [-] tenfourwookie|4 years ago|reply
Supply/demand should push the price to the floor with this Surplus gargantus, and yet prices continue to climb.
It's like ECON 101 doesn't apply to pot. What are they going to do? Dump it in ocean?
What I want to know is how retail is maintaining these obviously, artificially high prices in a crazy-lopsided buyer's market?
Collusion is the only explanation I have. They're all just colluding to prevent price collapse.
[+] [-] mandmandam|4 years ago|reply
> Forced, in most cases, to sell to a provincial wholesaler along with everyone else in the sector
Okay I know nothing about Canada's cannabis market, but who thought that could possibly be a good idea?
[+] [-] jacquesm|4 years ago|reply
[+] [-] JeremyBanks|4 years ago|reply
Cannabis stocks were a fad for a while, and I know lots of people who invested in them blindly. The number of legal cannabis retailers is exploding. I live in a mid sized town and there are three more opening this month, and the ones I see always have customers.
The system's hardly failing, some speculators just played themselves.
[+] [-] PragmaticPulp|4 years ago|reply
I’m unfamiliar with the weed market in general, but it seems like this problem is self-inflicted.
They’re simultaneously oversupplied and overpriced. Lower prices and both problems sort themselves out, plus they can slowly out-compete the illegal sellers by undercutting their pricing.
It seems the real problem is that they are afraid to cut their margins because it would break their financial models and risk the stock price. It’s strange that they’d rather destroy excess product than try to move it at a steep discount.
I’m also afraid this could create other problems by giving them a huge incentive to try to push more and more weed consumption among the public. Whatever your thoughts about weed, I hope we can all agree that over-consumption is not good and that it could be a problem if multi-billion dollar companies are stuck in a situation where they need to greatly increase the public’s consumption of weed to become profitable.
[+] [-] Closi|4 years ago|reply
I mean, that’s true with most things isn’t it? If you buy meat from the dodgy guy in a pub then it’s cheaper. Bloke selling televisions from a van? Cheaper. Cigarettes from a corner store that have been imported from a low tax country? Cheaper. Getting the electric/gas done in your house from someone who is unlicensed? Cheaper.
Not sure why we would expect this to be different.
[+] [-] staticassertion|4 years ago|reply
Legal weed is wayyyy more expensive in my experience and I dislike the experience. I went to an SF dispensary and it was so odd - had to give them an ID, sit there and fiddle with some ipad, etc. Presumably there's a lot of overhead with taxes, employees, property, etc.
And apparently artificially keeping prices high...
Also a somewhat damning case of "we have no idea how to value this"
I don't really smoke anymore, no time, but it was enough of a difference that the novelty of cutesy edibles wore off fairly quickly.
[+] [-] hncurious|4 years ago|reply
Now California is bailing out the industry to the tune of $100M.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-06-14/californ...
[+] [-] serf|4 years ago|reply
that was my experience with earlier weed delivery groups in SoCal as well, when recommendations were required.
A guy with a suitcase of samples would show up to your door, and offer you a sampling of everything he sold. That person would even help you light-up or vaporize the goods if you have a physical disability that prevented you from doing so yourself , or perhaps teach you how to in-case you're unfamiliar with equipment or technique.
They would sit there and smoke with you or bullshit for a few minutes about strains/strain-quality/benefits/whatever, make a sale with whatever was chosen during the sampling, and then head out the door.
Since those days medical prices have gone down significantly, but the process is now more sterile and 'mass-friendly'. Gone are the days of interactive sampling or someone teaching you how to use a bong or vaporizer -- it's now mostly all 'delivery-fied' : "give me my cash, here's your delivery that I know absolutely nothing about, and i'm gone ASAP."
It's a shame in some ways -- the earlier methods were a lot more compassionate towards actual medical patients and actual medical needs for this product -- the status in SoCal now feels more on-par with UberEats-profit-maximization than it does compassionate-care; a shame since 'weed products' have gotten way more complex with the addition of a million different tincture/extract/compound/etc and the various ways to imbibe them.
[+] [-] handmodel|4 years ago|reply
My yearly budget for pot if probably about $100-150 which seems remarkable low compared to my food or alcohol budget.
[+] [-] KMnO4|4 years ago|reply
Since then, the government has pulled up their socks. The prices are competitive, the quality is fantastic, and the doses are accurate (as opposed to a “300mg edible” actually having anywhere from 50-500mg THC).
As a result, I don’t know anyone who doesn’t buy from legal dispensaries. There still exist some grey area mail order services, but the concept of “texting your dealer” is largely extinct.
[+] [-] WhyNotHugo|4 years ago|reply
Not sure I hate the idea -- at least tax money is put to very good use. But for those for whom it's more than merely recreational (e.g.: medicinal use), I wish they'd sell a tax-free version. Too prone to abuse I guess.
However, heading to a coffeshop[1] isn't a big deal. It's a person behind the stand, you pic what you want from a menu, and they hand it over. Very nice and friendly, not dissimilar to ordering at a cafe.
I don't look under 25, and they've NEVER asked me for an id at any of these places. It surprised me in the US that even to sell alcohol to someone clearly over 40, they still ask for an id.
[1]: Stores that sell weed here are called "coffeeshops".
[+] [-] reidjs|4 years ago|reply
You can grow it yourself or get it delivered if you hate the dispensary so much.
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[+] [-] dcolkitt|4 years ago|reply
The average THC content in illegal states is around 10%. High quality legal strains regularly clock in above 25%. So even if you’re paying twice as much per gram, you’re getting a better deal per mole of THC.
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[+] [-] dpweb|4 years ago|reply
Newer recreational stores have popped up everywhere with many many more to come, but the few I’ve visited are cold and the staff act like they could give a shit.
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[+] [-] latchkey|4 years ago|reply
Anyone who's been in the industry knows that there is not only not enough demand, but it is also seasonal. Other than the heaviest users, people don't consume 365 days out of the year, they go through phases.
If you grow weed year round in high tech facilities that maximize production, you're going to just have massive piles of it that you cannot unload.
Making it legal didn't really create that much more demand because it was already easy enough to get in most places where there were enough consumers.
I drove through Oregon not too long ago. There is literally miles of weed shops right next door to each other. There are more weed shops than gas stations... and the gas stations usually have one right next door anyway. I have no idea how they all stay in business, but it couldn't be good.
Now this is the comparison to tulip mania that kind of works.
[+] [-] slapfrog|4 years ago|reply
In Washington state [or just Seattle? I'm not sure], there are laws restricting how many square feet the signage for a weed store is allowed to have. In response to this, weed stores devised a trick where they buy up neighboring businesses and run them under the same brand name as the weed store, with very large signs. So next to "Bubba's weed store" with small signs, you have "Bubba's Car Wash" with very large signs. Anybody looking for Bubba's weed will see the huge sign for Bubba's car wash, and know they found the right spot.
[+] [-] asdfasgasdgasdg|4 years ago|reply
As far as why such a low fraction of transactions are in the legal market: the only way to move pot transactions out off the black market would be to either make it substantially as convenient to buy it legally, or to dramatically increase enforcement against black market transactions at the same time that weed was legalized. It seems Canada did neither.
[+] [-] h2odragon|4 years ago|reply
Last year lots of people planted hemp around me, as it just become legal and there was a small market opening. Very, very few of these people had any notion what it would take to harvest, process and store their crop, and no notion of how or where to market it once in.
I've seen multiple Craigslist ads attempting to sell garbage bags of wet, mouldy, untrimmed hemp. I've been told that anyone who has a sales channel has been inundated with "buy my crop" offers. Ive heard one guy had grown and harvested several acres or so and had a couple truckloads in round wrapped bales he was looking to sell.
People didn't dive into cotton farming this way, when it became viable in the area again.
[+] [-] newsclues|4 years ago|reply
The Canadian cannabis market is regulated by idiots for the benefit of companies, and the consumers are taken advantage of.
[+] [-] mandmandam|4 years ago|reply
Reminds me of the neoliberal take on housing and healthcare.
[+] [-] shawnz|4 years ago|reply
See here https://www.change.org/p/remove-the-10mg-thc-limit-on-edible...
[+] [-] Animats|4 years ago|reply
Where have we heard that before?
[+] [-] taurath|4 years ago|reply
Not that any of the companies anyone here works for work the same way.
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[+] [-] codetrotter|4 years ago|reply
…one kilotonne?
[+] [-] openthc|4 years ago|reply
It's mostly supply side (B2B) deals, the data about crop and harvest they provide is worthless. I could add in all the retail transactions (I just don't load them every month).
You can get it too, FOIA request to the LCB, they'll send you a link to some zip files. They drop new bits every month.
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[+] [-] forkLding|4 years ago|reply
Also I've stopped calling them dispensaries because the places that sell weed have diversified, specialized or started marketing themselves with different products that it isn't just a buy weed location anymore so it's hard to put them in one category.
[+] [-] gwbas1c|4 years ago|reply
> What do you do with a billion grams of surplus weed?
Burn it in bonfires at festivals like Coachella and Burning Man.
[+] [-] kriskrunch|4 years ago|reply
But they already give the stuff away at many festivals..
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Why not just allow dispensaries to grow a small amount of their own stuff on premise, say 20Kg / month? Limit each customer to a 5g purchase. You just need a proper space and half a dozen staff (if that). No need for massive investments and all this maxed-out capitalist accounting trickery.
Legalisation should put dealers out of business on day 1. There's no way I'm going to engage in criminal activity, texting a dealer and waiting on a street corner if I can just walk over to a bar and buy what I need, super chill like it is in Holland.
Unbelievably sad they managed to screw it up so badly.
[+] [-] 8bitsrule|4 years ago|reply
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/aug/07/new-york-cit...
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[+] [-] Maursault|4 years ago|reply
No one knows if smoking weed causes lung cancer, but if it did, you'd think someone would have noticed sometime in the last 10K years.
However, everyone knows that smoking tobacco causes lung cancer. But this notion is technically not true. Smoking national brand cigarettes definitely causes lung cancer because what is in national brand cigarettes is not tobacco. It is about 50% tobacco and 50% additives, and also intentionally includes about 300 added carcinogenic chemicals to increase the addictiveness of nicotine... that is what is causing lung cancer, not natural tobacco. Pipe tobacco is just tobacco, nothing added, and pipe smoking (or rolling cigarettes from pipe tobacco), whether inhaled or not, doesn't cause lung cancer. Tongue cancer? Mouth cancer? Maybe to probably. Emphysema? A surity.
Here are a few quotes from the US Surgeon General Report on Smoking and Health[1]
No. 1103, p.112: "Death rates for current pipe smokers were little if at all higher than for non-smokers, even with men smoking 10 pipefuls per day and with men who had smoked pipes for more than 30 years."
No. 1103, p.92 "Among the pipe smokers.... The US mortality ratios are 0.8 for non-inhalers and 1.0 for inhalers."
...which means pipe smokers who inhale live as long as nonsmokers, and pipe smokers that don’t inhale live longer than non-smokers.
[1] https://biotech.law.lsu.edu/cases/tobacco/nnbbmq.pdf
[+] [-] anglicanchurch|4 years ago|reply
I tried to get my stoner buddies into vaping and everyone's switched except the guys that are culturally infected to give up being the "joint smoking guys".
[+] [-] tayo42|4 years ago|reply