[jays]

Agreed. I'd also add that other car manufacturers have made tradeoffs on safety issues for decades.

So I wonder if it's more about Telsa capitalizing on the hype of self driving cars (with the expensive self-driving add-on) in the short term and less about him misunderstanding the magnitude of difficulty.

Telsa is using the proceeds from that add-on to make them seem more profitable and fund the actual development. It's smart in some aspects, but very risky to consumers and Telsa.

[ghaff]

If you go back a few years, there were clearly expectations being set around L4/5 self-driving that that have very clearly not been met.

I still wonder to what degree this was a collective delusion based on spectacular but narrow gains mostly related to supervised learning in machine vision, how much was fake it till you make it, and how much was pure investor/customer fleecing.