[hospes]

>> An uneducated guy bringing on other uneducated guys that talk about something as if they're experts.

He often has leading scientists and subject matter experts on his podcasts.

>> Joe is an "average dude"…

Average dude who:

  - Created one of the largest English language podcasts.

- Is a successful comedian who writes his own material.

- Is a leading martial arts commentator and holds black belt himself.

- Made $30M last year plus made $100M from the Spotify deal.

I am not sure what is your metric that makes him average.