Yes, I'm finding it a bit mindboggling how the tone here has swung. There's definitely a vocal minority that chimes in on this subject across all sorts of threads, regardless of the original topic.
I think it has to do with the fact that people realize that these days basically vaccinated people stand in direct conflict to the the anti-vaxxers. So, earlier it appeared as if people could just do whatever they pleased (get a vaccination or not), but now everyone comes to the realization that this is not enough (at least not in the US and other countries, look at Denmark to see that it can be enough. But there over 80% of all over 12 year olds have been vaccinated. Thats miles ahead of e.g. US). This means that people who do not want to be vaccinated feel threatened in their choice because the public mood is at a tipping point (also because there are some vaccination orders coming for certain groups, e.g. military).
Anti-vaxxers think their choice is theirs. But with rising hospitalization their choice means not just more deaths, but also tough choices for politicians and businesses in deciding how much they let people die instead of going into another lock-down. If more people were vaccinated this choice wouldn't have to be made. This is why vaccinated people are getting more irritated against anti-vaxxers. And also why anti-vaxxers are fighting for their choice and opinion.
Presence does not mean campaign. I think people had some unrealistic expectations for the vaccines, partly from poor communication from leaders, maybe mostly from misunderstanding, and those expectations (realistic or not) are not being met.
I would claim that very few people understood that this was very likely permanent, when it started. Many people are now realizing this, and are afraid, angry, and confused.
I didn’t start commenting about the vaxx until I learned I’m losing my job by not taking it. We might be a minority, but that minority will become more vocal once it starts ruining our lives.
I already had longcovid 14 months (Mar 2020 - Jun 2021) so whatever restriction/punishment someone wants to impose on me for not taking the advice of mainstream doctors… it can’t be any worse than longcovid.
The information around this particular variant is still rather limited. It is good news that so far it has not become widespread in the US and it is not considered an immediate thread right now. Question and answer (from Fauci) is at 20:30 in this video:
This is truly never going to end until people stop obeying.
They will always find new "variants of interest." These people have no interest to end this, they don't experience the same lockdowns or quarantines the rest of us do.
I understand many here are pro-vaccine, but what's life going to be if we need to shut down with every variant, get a new shot in 90 days, have freedom for a bit (days? weeks?) because another variant comes along and we play this game all over again?
If we always "trust our leaders" -- whether political or scientific -- this is going to be the game played. Is this what people want or expect?
This is a preposterously cartoonish way to characterize what is in fact a very complicated world full of billions of people all acting with very individual motivations, all trying to sort things out in what is actually a pretty frustrating situation.
I can assure you, there is no "they". And, no I'm not "obeying" -- I've almost never done that in my life -- I'm behaving rationally in the self-interest of myself and my loved ones and the society I live in.
Is there a reason that you and many others default to the assumption that our leaders must be lying to us about covid? Not accusing, just curious why. Is it that hard to believe that there actually is a novel virus circulating which is quite deadly to some people, and perceived by many to be a legitimate risk? Likewise, it is that hard to accept that currently no-one really knows how to 'stop' it? Is inaction, denial and protest really the best solution to a challenge like this?
> They will always find new "variants of interest."
Right, they've found variants. It seems like you're implying that they are "chicken little" and the variants are some sort of "ploy."
Except that "these people" identified variants that were many times more contagious, and predictably those variants went on to cause the exact problem you'd predict, large sudden spikes in cases, and waves of hospitalizations and deaths all at once.
Don't blame the messenger. In terms of interest to end this, I'd say the anti-mask, anti vaccine folks are the ones with no interest to end this. It's a bad plan to let covid brew strain after strain in unprotected hosts and just see what happens.
i'm on the same boat. However i think we both underestimate how terrified people are of this virus. When people are this scared, you can basically make them do whatever you want.
[+] [-] ericb|4 years ago|reply
[+] [-] cmrdporcupine|4 years ago|reply
[+] [-] Tarsul|4 years ago|reply
Anti-vaxxers think their choice is theirs. But with rising hospitalization their choice means not just more deaths, but also tough choices for politicians and businesses in deciding how much they let people die instead of going into another lock-down. If more people were vaccinated this choice wouldn't have to be made. This is why vaccinated people are getting more irritated against anti-vaxxers. And also why anti-vaxxers are fighting for their choice and opinion.
[+] [-] nomel|4 years ago|reply
I would claim that very few people understood that this was very likely permanent, when it started. Many people are now realizing this, and are afraid, angry, and confused.
[+] [-] halfjoking|4 years ago|reply
I already had longcovid 14 months (Mar 2020 - Jun 2021) so whatever restriction/punishment someone wants to impose on me for not taking the advice of mainstream doctors… it can’t be any worse than longcovid.
[+] [-] unknown|4 years ago|reply
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[+] [-] pama|4 years ago|reply
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptF6y5ZIglI
[+] [-] bingohbangoh|4 years ago|reply
They will always find new "variants of interest." These people have no interest to end this, they don't experience the same lockdowns or quarantines the rest of us do.
I understand many here are pro-vaccine, but what's life going to be if we need to shut down with every variant, get a new shot in 90 days, have freedom for a bit (days? weeks?) because another variant comes along and we play this game all over again?
If we always "trust our leaders" -- whether political or scientific -- this is going to be the game played. Is this what people want or expect?
[+] [-] cmrdporcupine|4 years ago|reply
This is a preposterously cartoonish way to characterize what is in fact a very complicated world full of billions of people all acting with very individual motivations, all trying to sort things out in what is actually a pretty frustrating situation.
I can assure you, there is no "they". And, no I'm not "obeying" -- I've almost never done that in my life -- I'm behaving rationally in the self-interest of myself and my loved ones and the society I live in.
[+] [-] only_as_i_fall|4 years ago|reply
[+] [-] jasonlaramburu|4 years ago|reply
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[+] [-] ericb|4 years ago|reply
Right, they've found variants. It seems like you're implying that they are "chicken little" and the variants are some sort of "ploy."
Except that "these people" identified variants that were many times more contagious, and predictably those variants went on to cause the exact problem you'd predict, large sudden spikes in cases, and waves of hospitalizations and deaths all at once.
Don't blame the messenger. In terms of interest to end this, I'd say the anti-mask, anti vaccine folks are the ones with no interest to end this. It's a bad plan to let covid brew strain after strain in unprotected hosts and just see what happens.
[+] [-] bsaul|4 years ago|reply