[blain]

If vaccines are accessible to poor people leading to more vacinnated populus, why are vaccine passports needed?

I'm not anti-vax but I don't understand why people think vaccines are going to solve everything, isn't covid here to stay? why make it another control measure?

[dmalik]

It primarily comes down to resources and cost.

Right now in Ontario 80% of covid cases are coming from non fully vaccinated individuals(1).

It costs $23k to treat a covid patient and $50k if they reach the ICU(2). Chances of not landing in the ICU are 99.9% if you're fully vaccinated(3).

Many health resources are going to treat covid instead of things like elective surgeries. Allowing non-essential businesses to fully open without a vaccine passport will only lead to more cases and more resources being wasted.

The thought of getting injured right now is scary because I could wait years for something like a herniated disc surgery (which is very debilitating). I'd much prefer we take steps to take as much strain off the health system as we can.

1 - https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-logs-600-new-covid-19-cas...

2 - https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/cihi-covid19-canada-hospital-...

3 - https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/31/health/fully-vaccinated-peopl...

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> The thought of getting injured right now is scary because I could wait years for something like a herniated disc surgery (which is very debilitating).

And yet how much do you pay year after year for healthcare via taxes?

[horsawlarway]

This is my general take.

The goalposts sure seem to be shifting around Covid. At first it was merely "Flatten the curve" and now we're talking about much larger societal policy decisions, with no clear objective or aim.

Frankly - If the US was a person, I'd say we're having a severe allergic reaction. The response is worse than the disease. On both sides of the political spectrum we're seeing a tendency towards authoritarian controls and in-group/out-group dynamics, and I have a sinking feeling it's not going to end well.

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None of that means you personally shouldn't get vaccinated. I'd strongly suggest it, and wish we'd had a vaccine earlier - I lost both of my grandmothers to covid.

But we've clearly lost touch with how to actually talk with a person you don't agree with - and since neither side has any real discourse with the other, we're reverting to control measures that I don't think are good for democracy.