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trainsplanes | 4 years ago

A bunch of hospitals are more strained now than they ever were. Covid's more infectious now and some staff have quit.

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sreque|4 years ago

There have been chronic nursing staff shortages for years. We were treating patients in tents during the 208 flu epidemic: https://time.com/5107984/hospitals-handling-burden-flu-patie...

The much larger problem is that our medical system isn't designed to handle any kind of case surge at all, because, for cost efficiency reasons, it purposely wants to operate at 80-90% capacity. Instead of us focusing on how we can improve our hospital systems for future pandemics, we vilify the unvaccinated for political points.

People should be skeptical that hospitals almost never provide thorough or accurate information about their true capacity, constraints, and current cases broken down by primary causes. But at the end of the day, one's views on the situation seem to primarily depend on political identity and whether one blindly trusts the chronically dishonest mainstream media.

trainsplanes|4 years ago

> Instead of us focusing on how we can improve our hospital systems for future pandemics, we vilify the unvaccinated for political points.

Because globally, yes, they are the cause.

Even in countries where hospitals don't run close to max capacity at all times in order to maximize profits, hospitals have been filling up with unvaccinated patients. Japanese hospitals in major cities haven't been able to take in new patients, and those waves of patients are unvaccinated.

Although in Japan's case, the problem is there simply aren't enough vaccines here to meet demand. America's problem is there's an overabundance of vaccines but people are going out of their way to get sick, choosing to overwhelm hospitals, and then dying as an act of rebellion for facebook political points.

throwawayfear|4 years ago

How much is "a bunch" of hospitals? How are you measuring "more strained" "than they ever were?" Because the evidence I found suggests the situation was overblown:

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/09/covid-hos...

In other words, the study suggests that roughly half of all the hospitalized patients showing up on COVID-data dashboards in 2021 may have been admitted for another reason entirely, or had only a mild presentation of disease.

And we have staff quitting over the mandates. Which is causing service shortages in NYC now.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-york-hospital-pause...

An upstate New York hospital system said it will be forced to "pause" maternity services this month because some employees' refusal to get vaccinated against Covid-19 has caused staffing shortages.

ezekiel68|4 years ago

How much is "a bunch" of hospitals?

A fair criticism. Let's survey several US states and major metro areas to get a better idea, using sources not more than 30 days old:

Colorado: “The burden of the unvaccinated on our hospitals is profound”[0]

[0] https://coloradosun.com/2021/09/10/coronavirus-hospital-icu-...

Washington: Local Hospitals at ICU Capacity; ICU Nurses Resigning [1]

[1] https://keprtv.com/news/local/local-hospitals-at-icu-capacit...

Alabama: "On Wednesday [Sept 8], Alabama's hospitals had 2,724 people with COVID-19, according to the Alabama Hospital Association. There were 68 more patients than available ICU beds in the state that day." [2]

[2] https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/news/2021/09/09/u...

North Carolina: "We can’t transfer anywhere all hospitals are in the same situation" [3]

[3] https://myfox8.com/news/coronavirus/randolph-health-hits-icu...

Illinois: "Herrmann told the radio station that the majority of those critical COVID-19 patients are unvaccinated, and said the effect on staffed ICU beds is negatively impacting other patients who need critical care." [4]

[4]https://www.wpsdlocal6.com/coronavirus_news/idph-reports-zer...

I'm no expert on what is "a bunch", but I feel pretty certain the above examples (out of many more) have, together, met the threshold.