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eplanit | 4 years ago

Maybe it's the result of telling 2+ generations of boys that "males", especially "white males" (predominant in Canada) are the root of all problems in society and the world, coupled with ever-present emphasis and promotion of girls (most recently manifested in Trudeau's absurd references to "she-cession" and "she-covery").

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dang|4 years ago

Edit: actually, you've been using HN primarily for ideological battle, and have ignored our repeated requests to stop. As I explained to you before (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25934337), that's the line at which we ban accounts (see https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...), so I've banned this account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

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We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28539299.

Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar, such as race and gender flamewar. I realize it's not always easy to post about this topics without being inflammatory, but the subthread we got here is an example of exactly what we don't want on HN, and this was pretty predictable from the way your comment ratcheted up the inflammation.

I think this is an instructive case - if you look at the parent subthread (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28539299) without this flamewar, it's clear that it's much better. Not that every comment is good or flamebait-free, but the discussion is more substantive and (not coincidentally) on topic.

luffapi|4 years ago

Have you considered banning accounts that post racist trash like this instead of banning and censoring people who rightly call it out? You’re currently stewarding a white supremacist community and I have no idea how you sleep at night.

This thread needs a lot more attention on it. Not only does it demonstrate how racist and sexist this community is, it shows nicely how complicit you personally are in allowing this to happen.

Compare your response to this racist comment to this:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28542045

listless|4 years ago

Not sure why the downvotes here. This is an objectively true fact. And worse is that it’s not limited to white males. Nobody cares about our young black men either. 1/5 die of homicide while we reduce our police presence as if they are the most pressing problem.

At least a white male stands a good chance of not being born into a high crime area they have virtually no chance of escaping.

We suck at diagnosing and solving the real problems.

imbnwa|4 years ago

And the college gap is most pronounced amongst Black men and Black women, by an absurd ratio, so its fascinating to read a bunch of, presumably, majority CS degree holders who likely aren't Black or Latino talk about how white men have it worst for college enrollment

sgt|4 years ago

Is this actually happening though? I thought it was mostly just Twitter and subsequently the media feeling the need to write shocking stories. I have never had or heard someone tell me that it's bad to be white.

scohesc|4 years ago

Every educational system that's worth it's salt here where I live in Canada is going full-bore on the whole "critical race theory" and how "white people have oppressed every other culture for centuries"

Trust me, it's happening.

hdjjhhvvhga|4 years ago

Even though the issues you mention are real, you failed to provide a casual link between the two phenomena in question. "They are telling me I'm responsible for inequality in today's society so I won't go to college"? I'm not buying it.

AnimalMuppet|4 years ago

They may perceive the "you're the problem" message as originating from colleges, or being especially strong there. They may not want to spend four years in an environment like that.

gjsman-1000|4 years ago

Why would you go to a place that is increasingly expensive, people are increasingly open about how there are alternatives to college, and your professors and other students look down on you for being white and successful?

fbelzile|4 years ago

First, I don't think it's been going on for 2+ generations.

Second, who is saying "white males" are the root of all problems? I mean, it's objectively true since we've predominately been in positions of power (European & new world) for the greater part of history. That said, I'm sure women can mess things up equally as bad if they were in the same positions of power.

Third, there's still an under-representation of women in STEM. Whether that's because a chicken-and-egg problem with visibility (or that women, on average, just don't want those jobs) is yet to be seen.

lvass|4 years ago

>it's objectively true since we've predominately been in positions of power (European & new world) for the greater part of history

Excuse me? That's ridiculously eurocentric and only contributes to "visibility problems" you seem to care about. It may have been somewhat true for a few hundred years, but there are many cultures that stood millenia without any european influence whatsoever. And in the very near future, asian countries will surpass the west in terms of influence, as it has been for a long time.

lordgroff|4 years ago

Under representation of women in STEM very much depends on what field we're taking about. CS? Sure. But what about, say, dentistry or medicine? At about the beginning of the millennium, the sex ratios equaled out at medical and dental schools, and every year since then, fewer and fewer men study in these fields compared to women.

BobbyJo|4 years ago

> Second, who is saying "white males" are the root of all problems? I mean, it's objectively true since we've predominately been in positions of power....

So... you then. You are an example of who is saying what you are saying.

jimbokun|4 years ago

> for the greater part of history

Wow, you certainly have a shallow view of history.

> Third, there's still an under-representation of women in STEM.

And there is an under representation of men on college campuses.

Why is one of those worth worrying about and not the other? Or are both cause for serious concern?

rhcom2|4 years ago

Acknowledging a possible privileged position is not being called "the root of all problems in society and the world".

gjhh244|4 years ago

Privilege is primarily about money, not race. If you want to help poor people, then tax the rich more regardless of race and underprivileged minorities will benefit naturally more.

All this obsession with race is just a way for the elites to urn attention away from actual solutions which would hurt their profits.

scohesc|4 years ago

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eplanit|4 years ago

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Mary-Jane|4 years ago

"Hey Whitey! Check your privilege!"

You're right, there's no insult intended when people say that. Apparently whiteys have thin skin too!