[justwanttolearn]

this might help https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5e3ada1a6a2e8d6a131d1...

"The judgment of therapeutic proportionality must be made by the person who is the potential recipient of the intervention in the concrete circumstances,6 not by public health authorities or by other individuals who might judge differently in their own situations."

[Arnt]

What? I live in a city where the catholic church is the biggest one, and hadn't noticed this at all. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58573892 says it's not the church, it's some some sort of small subgroup, so... I'm as puzzled as the pope is, and still curious.

EDIT: if it puzzles the pope, then at least I don't have to feel ignorant about my ignorance ;)

[jimmygrapes]

The info in GP's link is clear that it is not a church position to be against vaccines in general, but against the involuntary (aka mandatory) application of them. The religious exemption is not "my religion doesn't let me get a vaccine" but rather "my religion doesn't let a secular entity force me to get a vaccine" - and many "antivaxx" types are of this exact thinking. The more the vaccines are pushed by those who have lied about other things or those secular entities that have a virtual or literal monopoly on violence physical or otherwise, the more the religious and moral pushback at the detriment of personal health/social responsibility.

If we really want more people to get vaccinated at this point, these mandates and constant campaigns need to back off for a bit. It needs to calm down to simple awareness campaigns of where to get vaccines (ala flu seasons in previous years), and legal/financial protections for lost wages/time off to get vaccinated (and recover from any side effects if necessary). What does NOT work is constant vitriolic rhetoric and fear mongering and othering and mandates and authoritarian dictates and celebrity admonishment/begging.