With travel at least, countries have the right to deny people for any reason whatsoever. Many already mandate various vaccines for entry (even for diseases not transmissible between humans), require a certain amount of money in your bank account, deny you for travel history to other certain areas, etc. A covid vaccine mandate for travel is far from radical.(Note: I didn’t downvote you)
donw|4 years ago
That isn't where I was going.
There is a current hard push for border controls at each state boundary; e.g., even domestic flights.
Not law yet, but the fact this is even being discussed is unacceptable. As was the employer mandate.
> Many already mandate various vaccines for entry (even for diseases not transmissible between humans),
Nope.
All vaccinations in Japan are optional (albeit recommended, and most parents follow the standard schedule for their children). A Japanese citizen can get a Japanese passport without a single vaccine.
The US has allowed Japanese citizens landing permission for a very, very long time.
Sure, it may be uncommon for an unvaccinated Japanese person to travel to the US, but it was and still is entirely legal. Except for the COVID prophylaxis (which is not a vaccine, as it does not appear to confer any lasting immunity).
> (Note: I didn’t downvote you)
Thank you. There's more than a small contingent of organized HNers that works to bury anything that runs contrary to their nascent religion.
trainsplanes|4 years ago
Absolutely wrong. Here's a list of countries and their various vaccine requirements for entry. Despite what you think, there's a lot of them and these requirements predate covid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination_requirements_for_i...
Obtaining a passport is completely irrelevant. Countries deny people with valid passports from entering all the time. For example, if they don't have the proper vaccines.
throw53004511|4 years ago
> organized HNers that works to bury anything that runs contrary to their nascent religion.
I downvote posts that can't resist aggressive parting shots like this. Honestly, just leave this kind of bullshit at the door. It will make your comment much stronger. I disagree with some of your points but you're still contributing to the discussion here if you would leave out these remarks.
hirako2000|4 years ago
The cost of travel is not coincidently high for those who have less. We will add further burden on people who barely met the financial conditions to just visit a place. And the inconvenience to the already stress inducing security procedure we face each time we take a flight.
We have been tolerating radical measures. Just try hold a bottle of water through airport security. And now we are seeing another type of radical measure: show us that you are up to date with whatever health prevention injection and tests that happen to apply today within a jurisdiction. Another straw, some camel backs are breaking , some find it manageable.
trainsplanes|4 years ago
And the system has hundreds of years, if not millennia, of history. Before immunization was available, quarantines were mandatory even for people without visible illnesses around the world. It's only in 2020 that the idea of this become controversial and some people acted like it was unprecedented through exposure to echo chambers.
ben_w|4 years ago
I’m in favour of greatly reducing travel restrictions (and migration restrictions), but vaccination is neither new nor radical.
Edit:
Dates back to 1933, apparently: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Certificate_of_V...
yoz-y|4 years ago