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BrightGlow | 4 years ago

>but the integrity questions still remain.

For those previous elections? No, they don't. The elections themselves are settled. You are asking questions about something different which is future elections, that's an entirely different question and it's a mistake to conflate them entirely with past elections.

>I feel like too many people are declaring the suspicions as moot and settled without actually looking taking the time and effort to investigate fully and properly

I really wish you would stop coming at it from this angle, it's not a productive way to look at things. The suspicions are moot and are settled by the courts. That is a fact. The elections are over. No amount of investigation is going to change the results of those past elections. No matter how many more people you get to investigate this, it isn't going to change it. An investigation could change future elections, but we would only know about that if an investigation was conducted during the period of time when it's legally allowed to happen.

And just to make it clear, there is nothing wrong with having suspicions about holes in an electoral process and discussing what we can do about it. Where you going into bad territory is when you slip in things like "there are open integrity questions" and "the election needs more investigation and isn't settled" and other things that are sowing doubt about the validity of the whole process. In the best case, those statements are misleading, and in the worst case, they're completely false. We may not like that some concerns are dismissed for partisan reasons but you're leaving out how in a lot of cases, that is completely legal and is the system working as intended. I'd love to fix this too but engaging in this type of rhetoric on social media is not going to help there.

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BuyMyBitcoins|4 years ago

>” I really wish you would stop coming at it from this angle, it's not a productive way to look at things. The suspicions are moot and are settled by the courts. That is a fact.”

If there’s election fraud going on, it literally does not matter because they found a way to get away with it.

All suspicions are moot. The system has been designed to be investigation-resistant and I just have to accept that. Because, again, it is literally settled and utterly futile to look into these things.

It’s also a vicious cycle. It’s pointless to investigate past elections, and upcoming elections - if contested - won’t be investigated because all the past elections turned out just fine. We didn’t go looking for fraud, and we know that our elections have virtually no fraud because we didn’t find any.

The practical effect is, no matter what vulnerabilities and exploits can exist in our elections, none of that matters because you’re not allowed to look into it.