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How to permanently delete your Facebook account

648 points| gigama | 4 years ago |facebook.com | reply

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[+] swamp-agr|4 years ago|reply
The situation is quite interesting here.

- Imagine, you're living outside of USA/UK/Europe.

- Formally, it's possible to proceed with "Permanently delete my account".

- You will even receive email assuring you that two weeks later profile would be completely deleted.

- Then, couple years later you'll occasionally seen email from facebook that someone tried to log in into your ("permanently deleted") account.

- You'll try to log in, probably restore and change the password among the way.

- And after that you'll be successfully logged in. And the profile's state would be like nothing changes. Nothing. Completely.

- You'll contact Support. Seriously? They'll ignore you.

- Maybe some interaction with 3rd-party websites triggered cancellation of the process, you thought.

- Then, you'll implement blacklist just to avoid any interaction with facebook, something similar to: https://pastebin.com/FAV2f9eA and try to repeat the flow again.

- Then another 2+ years later situation will repeat again. Deja-vu. And again. And again.

There's no way to delete facebook profile if facebook didn't really care about its users.

[+] winternett|4 years ago|reply
Nobody seems to remember the time back when FaceBook forced everyone on the platform to use their real name... It was exactly the point their plan to gather data matured I believe.

This is also why many sites and apps offer verification programs as well in my understanding... Verifying a user's ID has been a practices for ages now, but it did nothing to stop the growth of disinformation because that's not what verification was for IMO.

An unregulated private company asking you for official government documentation and your real name is definitely tracking you in my opinion. Even friends commenting with your name and family associations/connections on your account can easily ID everyone.

They are not a government agency with the authority to ask people for government ID, but somehow they convinced everyone to use their real name, and it didn't stop the decay of conduct decorum on the platform, it only served to track information more accurately.

Even people who have never registered for FB are indexed by them based on tagged photos and in posts that others have made about them using their names.

They also track people based on interactions across other apps entirely not associated with FB... That's IMO why certain sites slowed and faulted mysteriously when their domain went offline.

I am willing to bet that they have a really interesting splunk (or similar tech) dashboard they can look at and search any time they want full of analytics based on almost every human on earth.

Account privacy settings have always been a very ambiguous "shell game" with FB and other social apps, and often do not work properly, what makes anyone think a "delete account" request would ever be honored by such a company that manipulates it's user base?

I also suspect that each of the major social platforms do the same type of info gathering to varying extents as well.

This is some serious "James Bond island cave villain" stuff, and whatever congressional action comes next (if anything does) may tell us where the future is going for our privacy and personal info rights... :|

[+] cratermoon|4 years ago|reply
The problem is that fundamentally, to Facebook, a user's login account is a separate thing from the user's profile. You can delete your account, and with a straight face Facebook can assert you've deleted it. But your profile, the mass of data and content that you put on Facebook with your account, and all the data associated with it through their social graph and algorithms, that never gets deleted.

In a very real sense, "you" still exist in Facebook. That's why when, weeks, months, or years later, when you login, Facebook recognizes you. You create a new "account", and Facebook very conveniently associates everything it knows about you (which it never forgot) with your new account.

[+] j2bax|4 years ago|reply
//Imagine, you're living outside of USA/UK/Europe.

Are you saying that Facebook doesn’t enable full account delete outside of countries that require it by law?

[+] trutannus|4 years ago|reply
This is a bit hyperbolic, and a little unbelievable. Is it possible that you experienced a bug in Facebook? Or that someone else had access to your account, which prevented the deletion? You've essentially asserted that you've caught Facebook lying about the account deletion process, while not showing us any proof outside of your comment.

Not located in US/UK/Europe, however my deleted account is fully deleted. Can't even 'reset' the password on it since there's no email found when I try to use the reset.

I don't like Facebook, but I don't think there's a point in getting riled up by one person's comment on HackerNews. It reminds me of the thread where someone was claiming they were under surveillance for using ProtonMail.

[+] kelnos|4 years ago|reply
I do wonder if manually deleting everything: every post, every photo, every comment, every interaction, will actually delete things behind the scenes, or if FB keeps everything regardless.
[+] raverbashing|4 years ago|reply
Maybe a better idea would be to actively go against the Terms of Service for FB and obfuscate the data in your account

- Remove all photos and replace them with other images (nothing illegal)

- Change all data relating to your person

- Create several posts with unrelated data

- Like as many pages as you possibly can

[+] Le_Dook|4 years ago|reply
I live in Ireland. A while after GDPR came into effect, I went about deleted a Microsoft account I didn't use anymore. Deleted it on the site, contacted support to request all data be wiped. Done. About 3 years later I get an email that it was accessed and they disabled it for illegal activity. Deleted it in the site, contacted support to request all data be wiped. Honestly think it's more worthwhile to just change the account info to garbage and leave it
[+] rjzzleep|4 years ago|reply
There is, you basically spend a year rewriting your profile step by step with garbage data. Then delete the garbage posts and replace them with other stuff. It's long and it takes effort.

I assume that when you do it all at once they will just disable you and keep the old snapshot in their facebook graph.

[+] classified|4 years ago|reply
They lie about everything else, why would this be different?
[+] e12e|4 years ago|reply
> Imagine, you're living outside of USA/UK/Europe.

Technically, with GDPR you only need to visit the EU to delete your account... So I suppose one might a vacation out of deleting Facebook, LinkedIn etc accounts?

[+] c8g|4 years ago|reply
probably you were in a hurry or distressed and didn't read the text while deleting the account and probably, you have disabled your account. They will offer an option to disable account in case you change your mind later. Please stop spreading misinformation.
[+] shadowfaxRodeo|4 years ago|reply
I got rid of Facebook, Instagram, and WhatsApp about 4 years ago. Facebook and Instagram was easy, but people who have WhatsApp really think you’re weird for not having it.

Deleting WhatsApp, while annoying for me personally, has resulted in many people I know joining Signal or Telegram — the network effect can be broken by being belligerent.

If you don’t want to have a conversation about why you deleted WhatsApp, simply say it’s a moral issue, nobody wants to know.

[+] roydivision|4 years ago|reply
Most of the time tech companies have their fans and detractors. In virtually any discussion about tech companies, you’ll find people for the company in question, and others against, Apple and Google are great examples.

I find it interesting that I don’t think I’ve ever come across any discussion about Facebook (and I read a lot of them) where anyone is defending them. Either people are strongly against the company, or at most they admit grudgingly that they do use Facebook services because everyone else they know uses it.

The only people I ever hear championing Facebook are Zuckerberg and other top management.

I don’t have a Facebook account, so possibly all the positive discussion is on Facebook itself and I’m not seeing it.

[+] jasode|4 years ago|reply
>I don’t have a Facebook account, so possibly all the positive discussion is on Facebook itself and I’m not seeing it.

We don't like to admit it but the HN demographic is a self-reinforcing "filter bubble" on some topics such as Facebook, Uber, Apple. Outside of HN, almost all non-techies I interact with don't complain about them.

I remember seeing a lady's gardening channel on Youtube and wondered how she got so many lucrative sponsorships since her subscriber count and view counts seemed too low. I later learned it's because the majority of her gardening fans' interactions and video views actually come from Facebook and not Youtube. Same for demographic of sewers for quilts & clothes.

So the Venn Diagram with one circle being female gardeners/sewers and the other circle being HN commenters have virtually no overlap. Hence we're in a filter bubble. The gardeners/sewers aren't complaining about Facebook because it's a positive in their lives and HN commenters never see that. I also read somewhere that Pinterest and Instagram are also more heavily skewed towards females.

(Because I don't have a Facebook account and got a lot of my info about FB from HN, it made me ignorant of the various communities that use FB in positive ways. I often wonder what other ways HN distorts my views that I'm totally unaware of.)

[+] hdhdbid|4 years ago|reply
At least in my opinion for this on HN, you get downvoted very quickly on HN to have such an opinion.

I work for FAANG. I generally dont comment on HN but recently I read every thread about FAANG to have a thread that read like you should be ashamed to work there. I replied, Even before i worked there, I used their products to keep in touch woth my family/friends, at a startup I worked at we used open source tech from these companies, I also have always benefited from owning the stock in my retirement account via index funds. So why is it that working for the company is not ok but being a consumer, investor etc ok. And also asked if there's an acceptable list of companies to work at without moral judgements. Pointed out that people have strong feelings about big tech, big pharma, big oil etc etc. As you'd imagine, I was downvoted pretty soon and you realize trying to convince a stranger on the internet is pointless and gains you nothing.

[+] dougmwne|4 years ago|reply
I'll step into that role then. I am a member of some Facebook groups that have been hugely helpful on a personal level. The community page software may not be perfect, but it is accessible and can bring together a really heterogeneous user base with diverse perspectives, much more so than Reddit. The groups pages are entirely separate from the toxic feed. I would be absolutely bummed if they were to blink out of existence.
[+] antihero|4 years ago|reply
I would imagine that the proponents of Facebook are the huge huge amounts of people who are less technologically savvy, don't really give two shits about privacy surrounding data they perceive to given up willingly, and aren't really involved in any sort of discourse.

However, they absolutely love the fact that they've been able to keep in contact with family, old friends, and see the value of the human connection they are able to get through Facebook as far greater than the negatives.

[+] TomSwirly|4 years ago|reply
I am unfortunately still on Facebook - I moved to another continent in the last few years and it's the only way to keep track of people.

At least from my friends, everyone hates it, left, center and right-wing alike.

[+] bborud|4 years ago|reply
I think it should be a legal requirement that users are able to configure retention of their data. For instance that any content you post will only be retained for N number of weeks/ months/years. And that social media platforms over a certain size have to agree to auditing to ensure that this data is actually deleted.
[+] dotancohen|4 years ago|reply
As someone who implements these types of requirements, this suggestion just adds complexity where none is needed. In the software, and the database, and the backup strategy, and for the average user. Complexity requires time, money, and introduces bugs and user error.

Right now we are required by law to remove user data upon request (Europe). That law is strong enough to cover those who need it.

[+] quaintdev|4 years ago|reply
This argument is flawed. How can you be sure if the policy is enforced at back-end?

The better way is to create a solution where users have control over data and the apps interact with data. This should have been the model from the beginning but now I guess it will never happen. Even if someone successfully implements this it will be just as hard IPv6 to adopt if not more.

[+] _ttg|4 years ago|reply
Faster shortcuts:

https://deletefacebook.com/

https://deleteinstagram.com/

It's probably by design, but from experience most people will need non-trivial discipline/hacks to get around the 30 day window and avoid reflexively logging in. Would be curious to know how many people who try deleting their accounts follow through to the end

[+] jb1991|4 years ago|reply
I deleted mine 2 years ago, and definitely followed through on it. Once it was done, it was absolutely zero problem to have it out of my life. The only thing I’m curious about though, is what would happen if I try to login again. I’m terrified to even try, for fear that somehow it wasn’t actually deleted even though that’s exactly what I did.

Update: I decided to finally try logging in and thankfully it said it could not locate an account under my email. So I guess that's a good thing. I do wonder if it triggered something else though, just by my trying to login.

[+] bennyp101|4 years ago|reply
I deleted mine 3 or 4 years ago, and I did end up logging in a couple of times during that 30 day window - "Oh, I'll just have a quick look at those wedding photos" or "I want to go on that trip so I best keep it logged in for that" kind of thing - purely instinctive at the time to find that info.

I imagine if you are hooked on the whole 'social interaction' thing, the 30 day sliding window is ... unhelpful.

[+] jcims|4 years ago|reply
If folks can't go cold turkey I'd suggest unfollowing everyone first. It makes the site much more useful and easier to quit.
[+] stevecat|4 years ago|reply
Something seems to remain on their servers though.

I own a very short gmail.com address which I'm (far too) proud of but it does receive a lot of other people's mail; there are apparently a lot of people called Steve who don't understand how email addresses work.

Someone created and then permanently deleted a Facebook account with my address. Which has permanently locked me out of ever using my email address with Facebook (they block +alias addresses and gmail/googlemail.com too). I use Facebook casually to keep in touch with family/friends and have had to keep an old email account alive just for it. Facebook support are no help.

/rant

[+] haunter|4 years ago|reply
The irony here that it's harder to delete your HN account and all your comments
[+] raxxorrax|4 years ago|reply
HN has anonymous accounts and personally identifiable information can be hidden or removed by the user, which to me has the same effect. HN complains to me that I cannot reset my pwd if I ever forget it because I didn't even share my mail.

People often claim anonymous platforms are doomed to fail but I think social media is the main problem currently.

[+] wintermutestwin|4 years ago|reply
I wonder at the time limit to edit/delete a comment on HN. I try to think carefully about the things I say and often have a change in heart about saying something long after the change window has expired. Is the logic behind this limit explained anywhere?
[+] dahart|4 years ago|reply
Is it harder, are you sure? There isn’t a button, but HN also doesn’t try to talk you out of it.

Unlike Facebook, Hacker News has no Personally Identifiable Information on you, didn’t ask for any, and isn’t trying to gather any. Email address might be the lone exception, but you can use any throwaway email you want. So you might have chosen to share some, but other than email, HN has no way to index it or even know that it’s personal to you. There’s no network, no photos, no credit cards. There are no ads that HN is selling your PII to. Unlike FB, HN doesn’t do any EU specific business or target EU residents in any way, so combined with the complete lack of PII, it’s very likely GDPR does not apply to HN. Comments aren’t enough, they don’t act as a catalog of PII.

That said, have you tried emailing HN to see if they’ll happily delete your comments? If there was a legitimate problem that you needed to erase, if your identity become known against your will, I’d bet the mods here would be happy to help you.

[+] bennyp101|4 years ago|reply
I actually ended up creating a new Facebook account, with fake name/details and no friends. Most of the local information for the village I live in, and the surrounding ones is posted and discussed on Facebook.

So, if we want to join in on the Halloween trail, need to know about it on there. Christmas window displays? Yep, on Facebook.

It's kinda annoying, and I figure they probably know who I am - but at least I'm not directly giving them info :/

[+] MrDresden|4 years ago|reply
I thoroughly oppose the idea that to be able to have meaningful human relationships, I need to subscribe to a walled garden run by a profit hungry private entity with an extremely bad track record of handling privacy, security and ethics.

I exited their whole ecosystem 2 years ago. Never found the urge to go back.

Leaving all of the fake-ery of Instagram and noise of Facebook behind has improved my day to day life immensely.

Many of my Whatsapp contacts had already begun to move to Signal so that helped. Some of the rest I talk to through Twitter. With the viable rest I call or use sms.

A lot of them I just let go (were dead relationships already).

[+] fxtentacle|4 years ago|reply
I like how "deactivate account" still keeps Facebook Messenger fully enabled and all of your posts remain online. That's probably so that your friends can ask you why you deactivated your account ;)
[+] willis936|4 years ago|reply
Deleting social media accounts is a bad idea. You should squat them and never log in.
[+] burnt_toast|4 years ago|reply
I recently shut down a small business and have been having nothing but trouble trying to remove it's presence online.

Facebook made me wait two weeks before giving me the option to delete it and now it's just stuck on "deleting". Bing emails me weekly saying I need to update my listing yet I've tried 3 times to mark it as closed to no avail.

The only one I've been able to remove it from has been Google so far. It's quite frustrating.

[+] aritmo|4 years ago|reply
I do not understand what is the fuss about deleting your Facebook account.

1. Create a VPS 2. Install one of those Facebook scraping tools 3. Use your account credentials and start scraping. 4, Facebook will freak out, lock you out and ask for passport and ID cards. Do not provide any.

During their next account purge, they will remove your account.

[+] pcmoney|4 years ago|reply
When I did it in 2016 I wrote a small script to undo every activity I had ever done. Then I deleted it. Also changed the password to a max length so it was impossible to login for the 30days.
[+] SavantIdiot|4 years ago|reply
I am curious as to what happens to the data.

This is why we need whistleblowers. It could be very easy for Facebook to knowingly keep this information and just make it a trade secret. The risk of being exposed for lying probably doesn't matter since there are so many ways around it without "lying".

But who am I kidding. I would love to know which private company has the most personal info:

- Lexis Nexis,

- West Law,

- Cellphone companies,

- TRW (credit rating companies)

- VISA (Amex, Mastercard), or

- Facebook

[+] yawaworht1978|4 years ago|reply
The best options are: - never sign up in the first place - give entirely fake data, as much as possible - change data to rubbish data afterward - just never log in again, I am pretty sure dormant accounts are the worst, nothing to collect, nothing to track, no ads can be placed there in a meaningful way.

A dormant account with rubbish data is the best way to hinder their profits.

[+] Pinegulf|4 years ago|reply
Isn't 'delete' a bit misleading? The page does not say that whey would delete your data, only 'account'.
[+] Program_Install|4 years ago|reply
I wish more people would consider the deletion of facebooks from their lives. It has become the most dangerous form of SkyNet, and most voluntarily hand their lives to them. Nothing worse than idiots attempting to make themselves relevant for no reason other than trying to be relevant.
[+] cascom|4 years ago|reply
Why would I want to delete my Facebook account?

I abhor Facebook, I never log on, I haven’t used WhatsApp or Facebook messenger, etc. for several years, So I don’t feel like I’m giving them any information, but deleting my account only hurts me by giving away a free option? What am I missing?

[+] tremon|4 years ago|reply
You're adding to Facebook's network value by having a Facebook presence, however minimal you deem it to be. You're inducing other people into giving Facebook information on them by maintaining a Facebook account.
[+] VLM|4 years ago|reply
The way to fight people who advise to use FB less or just don't login and scroll all day long, is to reframe the problem as an extremist binary choice, either use FB three hours per day every day or go to huge effort to delete everything. Most people will choose the less extreme of the "binary" options of continuing to use FB. Its a common sophistry trick.