I quit Amazon 3 weeks ago after nearly a decade. Work from home was one of the biggest reasons.
In my view, the personality traits that are conducive to promotion up the Amazon leadership ladder are strongly aligned with loving work-from-office. Most people L10 and higher not only don't understand the desire for permanent work from home, I think maybe they cannot understand it. It's just too foreign to many of them.
The first announcement was "We can't wait to be back in the office, and we know you can't either". Senior engineers started quitting. Then it was "Okay, okay, you can work from home 2-3 days per week, but only with your L10's approval". The exodus continued.
Now it's "Fine, you can work from home with your L8's approval, but you better be ready to show up on 24 hour notice if we say so!". The biggest benefit of work from home is not needing to commute, and lower cost of living by leaving the HCOL cities.
They don't get it. Other companies do. And anyone who has spent 5 or more years working for Amazon is well-trained enough to get a better paying job with a company that understands the cultural shift that just happened to the developer world.
Edit: I know not all developers are anti-office. But for those of us who are, working for people who don't understand us, who make policies based on what works best for them, is a problem.
I have this theory that one of the contributing factors to the "I don't want to go to the office" trend in the US (which I'm part of), is that cities are also not made for commuting. Coming from Europe, where public transport is really practical, and cities are built for density, your commute is often much less cumbersome AND you can enjoy some social life after work since you're in the city. Here (the bay) it was just the worst. Companies can't build in cities so they build large offices in suburbs. There's a lack of housing so no matter where you live you'll end up paying like crazy. And there's pretty much no practical public transport so you're just going to live through hell. I spent some time in LA and I can't even imagine how people deal with that there. I'm never going to commute ever again after that experience, unless I'm back to Europe.
Funny, I left Amazon two weeks ago because WFH burned me out. I'm currently taking a sabbatical.
* Zoom fatigue is real.
* I find it much harder to collaborate with peers.
* I feel like less of a part of the company. Not being in the office, so I'm no longer seeing that busy bee activity on the floors, not able to mingle with other people from other teams, not seeing new faces, no team activities, and no desk with my name on it. It's a very isolated feeling.
* I find it even more Groundhog Day. To wake up from bed, walk a few steps to my desk, and start plugging away. Yeah, commuting can suck, but at least there's more stimulation and "life" to it.
* Deadlines, at least from my perspective, got even more ridiculous since WFH started.
If you’re going to work from home, do so for a company where WFH is first class. I’ve worked for remote-only companies and for mixed companies. The mixed ones were really terrible WFH experiences. The remote-only / remote-first ones were excellent. It really makes a difference.
You are right - the market has shifted and developers can now work from home, far away from their office, and still get paid great salaries. This may also work for marketers, designers, and few other digital verticals. For the majority of regular people (teachers, bakers, warehouse workers, hospitality workers, waiters, medical workers, etc etc) this is going to stay a pipe dream with physical barriers in place that will never enable them to get something similar.
What an advantage in life to have chosen this career path over any of the above ones. And what a shame whenever we come across one of those "I am a developer and it's horrible!" type of posts.
I was just last week in an interview for a role at Amazon and was told that -- while they would entertain a permanent remote arrangement for the right candidate -- it was the interviewer's honest opinion that being fully remote would hurt my chances to advance in the organization.
I live in Seattle and thus a notable percentage of my social circle works at Amazon.
The folks I know who work there were almost entirely all prepared to quit if the company forced their initial "everyone back in the office" requirement, especially in this current job market.
It feels rare to see Amazon ever make a change to such a publicly stated policy like this, I can only imagine that the groundswell of feedback from employees was quite startling in how much of a problem their retention would be with such a hard rule.
They are pushing the decision from the L10+ level to the L7/L8 level. But we all know behind the scenes, L7/L8 will be pushed to behave a certain way. If it was truly their choice, those with a strict policy would bleed engineers to the directors with more lax policies, Amazon would not accidentally create a free market within their own company.
> At this stage, we want most of our people close enough to their core team that they can easily travel to the office for a meeting within a day’s notice. We also know that many people have found the ability to work remotely from a different location for a few weeks at a time inspiring and reenergizing. We want to support this flexibility and will continue to offer those corporate employees, who can work effectively away from the office, the option to work up to four weeks per year fully remote from any location within your country of employment.
One of the things that's been missed is that remote working has been a big part of counteracting the massive inflation that's been caused by covid. Making people go into the office is a effectively a pay cut with all the price increases. Start forcing people in and salary expectations will rise accordingly.. .
Since they're having problems with retention, I wonder if they'll also get rid of that 6 month rejection cooldown? I had an Amazon recruiter cold e-mail me 2 months ago and me, being off the market for 8 years, had no idea software engineering interviewing was its own skillset, and subsequently bombed the online assessment. 2 months later, I've "grinded Leetcode" and passed a few phone interviews, but I'd be interested in circling back to Amazon. I will probably find another job before that 6 month cooldown is up, so as it is, Amazon basically is missing out on someone who is otherwise qualified just because they reached out to me first.
I'd recommend scanning all the "leaks" publicized about 4 months ago from internal Amazon HR policies. They're real, and why I was like eff this, and quit. It is plausible they're very varied across divisions and teams.
I’m on the opposite side of many folks responding. After spending the quarantine at home through the pandemic, I’m now looking at HCOL cities which headquarter big tech or startups (SF, NYC, Seattle, Austin). I’d love to spend time in a posh office again, meeting new people, getting drinks after work. Now, I have everything I need in one room: computer, weights, instruments, art supplies, dog, etc.
TBH, I’m crossing my fingers employers will prioritize folks willing to work in the office to compensate for my lack of pedigree in other hiring/HR attention areas.
All that stuff sounds great until you have kids, then you want to find ways to be home as much as possible. At least, that was my experience.
I was lucky - I bought a house in the suburbs of my hometown and moved back. Told my company I was moving out of Toronto during the second lockdown last year, they didn't even question it.
Now my biggest distraction is my 2yo running in because he doesn't understand that dad works, yet. Sometimes he might be having a tantrum in the kitchen/living room and it makes it a bit difficult to concentrate...nowhere near as bad as the constant barrage of irrelevant noise from an open office.
Actually, if you are willing to move to a lower cost upcoming satellite office location (like say Raleigh), your strategy might work better. Positions in those new offices are ramping up and they are specifically looking for people to fill those offices.
I think it depends on 2 important factors: age and the team. At early age you like to go out for drinks, later you may want to go home and rest or read or take a bicycle ride or spend time with the family. Also it depends a lot on the team you are in: I worked with teams where we spent a lot of time together outside business hours and I was in teams where I avoided even seeing most people, by no means spending any time together.
Cities are nice even with WFH to me. I don't care that much about the office, though it is easier to form bonds in person imho. I do care about having an active social life which is part of why I live in a city, and I'm very glad people are going out again generally and things are open with events happening (Seattle is where I'm at).
I don't know why people say Amazon has a bad reputation as an employee.
You have to consider there is a million employees and it most likely depends on department, location, job.
I personally know a couple handful Amazon employees who are all most happy and treated well.
Some of them have previously been at google and they say Amazon is the better employer period.
In some jurisdictions they pay clear above industry standard.
All companies have good and bad aspects, some feel better in a startup , some feel better in a corporate giant.
> I don't know why people say Amazon has a bad reputation as an employee.
Note this isn't actually a question. You then go on to preemptively defend Amazon's reputation with:
- "depends on department, location, job."
- "I know a couple of employees who are happy."
- They pay really well.
- "All companies have good and bad aspects"
What I find striking about this defense is that it is so generic, it could apply to any and every company (aside from maybe pay). You obviously have no interest in learning why Amazon's reputation is negative, and frankly are trying to shut down discussion of it.
Left AWS two months ago to confound a startup. Can only say good things about my personal experience (SDM at AWS Professional Services). On the other hand I know personally people who work in teams that due to no fault of their own, have a culture that, to say mildly, isn’t necessarily everyone’s cup of tea. Amazon as an employer, is generally great. But you really can’t underestimate how “it depends on the team” matters there.
I learned about technology more in 5 years there than my entire (20+ years) career. Smart people, always got help when I needed, always were able to keep work life balance (it’s many times up to you to know how to disconnect and say no, people respect it).
It will make you a better decision maker, much better writer (it might make you hate writing narratives but you’ll get dangerously good at it).
If you join and you got into “one of these teams”, use the wonderful tool of internal transfers. It’s one of the best things about Amazon. There are no minimums and no manager approval required to find a better match.
Anecdotal sure, but I joined earlier this year and am absolutely loving it so far. Fantastic pay, great manager, interesting impactful work, and more than enough flexibility on the personal side.
I specifically chose a team based on my perception of the manager, and that decision has paid off so far. Amazon is a huge company and experiences can vary dramatically.
Imagine if 20 public state schools, 50,000 students each, formed a mega university and someone started describing it in terms of a singular culture. Ridiculous right?
I fully expect my experience is different than others and I don’t expect it to generalize to Amazon as a whole. It’s nice to hear first hand accounts from former employees (positive and negative), but I could do without the people parroting what they read online.
Yeah, I have the same experience. I work on a major aws team and we have a lot of focus on work life balance. Oncall sucks for sure but otherwise it's fine. My girlfriend at Google has a much worse work life balance. It depends on what team you're on.
Google doesn’t have a massive distribution network. If you take out the distribution and warehouse has jobs there are still many complaints like the hire to fire headcount. Not to mention one must ask themselves do they want to work for a company that doesn’t give lower employees bathroom breaks or fires people based on AI feedback? How long until they use AI feedback to fire SWEs?
I am noticing a lot of the big tech companies are becoming more flexible about remote work, but they are still far away from a true remote friendly option for me at least.
It seems the expectation is that they want people to be available to come to the office on demand every once in a while, so you need to be living within at least a 1-2 hour drive from the office. While that is certainly an improvement, it isn't true remote.
If there are any big tech companies who only expect travel to the office a few times a year I would love to hear about them!
1-2 hours away from a major city is actually kind of a sweet spot, IMO.
Big cities have things like major hospitals and major employers, they have airports, they have baseball stadiums. They've also got social networks -- it's much easier to make friends in a place with 100,000 people your age than 50.
Now, escaping to the undeveloped areas is cheap, and many of them have access to things like beautiful mountains or beaches that are either far away from or too crowded near big cities. However, rural areas generally have poor infrastructure that big cities have, and often have extremely bad schools.
Being 1-2 hours away from a big city? That's kind of a sweet spot. You're still close enough to the city for culture and hospitals and the airport. But you're on a big plot of land, and since you're still in a metro, you've probably got reasonably good infrastructure and schools.
The whole "move to the mountains" thing that so many people talk about assumes you don't care about good schools, airports, hospitals, etc.
As someone working for a company I like while living in a place that I'd rather not, there's no more annoying thing for me to dwell on than the fact that the only thing standing between me and moving is the fact that my employer expects me to be in the office 2 days/month.
I interviewed at amazon,India last year for their Arora DB team. It was one of the worst experience I ever had interviewing at any company.
I was asked to come to their office on a week-end, the HR calls me a day before to remind me that I have to be there at sharp 8:30 AM. I was living bit far from their office, but I made sure that I was there at their office well ahead of time. Turns out there are 50 odd candidates waiting there. They had never informed me that it was a mass interview. They then asked us to assemble in a room and told that interviews will start soon. Turns out the people who were supposed to interview us were flown down from their HQ and they were running late. So, to our frustration, they arrived 4 hours later. They provided us some average lunch and interviews started in the afternoon. The initial interviewers were fine, but in the later rounds(in late evening) I felt that the interviewers did not seem interested. In the last interview, the interviewer( I guess he was one of the directors), was not even making eye contact. He asked me a data structure question and asked me solve it on the white board, but then he got busy with his laptop. My solution was not very efficient one, but there was no hint or discussion on how to make it better and he then suddenly started talking about how great Amazon is as a place to work for!
After few days, they arranged for next set of interviews and the HR mailed me bunch links I had to study. Then I got a call from one their senior managers to inform me that there will be lot of leadership principles questions and they are very serious on them and I have prepare for them thoroughly!
They took another month to complete like next 5 rounds and at the end the HR calls me and say that I had to take one interview again as one of the the directors had lost the feed back on me!. I said no, then he comes back and says that they have found the feedback.
They took another few days and sent me a rejection letter. I wasn’t expecting an offer from them as I did sort of average in the interview, but the whole experience made me think how unprofessional they were!.
Does everyone else get multiple recruitment emails a week from Amazon? I get more recruitment emails from them than all other companies combined. Even when I suspended my linkedin I am still getting emails.
> “We’re intentionally not prescribing how many days or which days — this is for Directors to determine with their senior leaders and teams.”
This reminds me of what George said to Jerry in The Deal on Seinfeld:
> Jerry: Spending the night. Optional.
> George: No, you see? You got greedy.
Making the policy discretionary will ultimately make it like an "unlimited vacation" policy where it actually doesn't happen but the company gets to say that it's their policy.
Is Amazon really such a bad employer? I've just started process with them now. I dont want to work for Facebook, there is no local Netflix and I'm probably not good enough for Google - Amazon is the only FANG company I'm realistically going to get.
> as long as they are able to commute to the office when necessary
This is they key right here. Basically you still have to live within a few hours drive of Seattle or Palo Alto, or even less depending on your patience.
Still better than five days a week in the office though!
I'd be looking hard at housing along regional rail lines. If the commute is going to be an hour or more, I'd much rather do that occasional trek in a commuter train with wifi and my laptop than in a car when I'm still half asleep in the morning. Eventually with cal HSR you will have the choice of living like a 23 year old in a tiny bay area apartment or living like an emperor in fresno or bakersfield for as much money.
The labor market is super tight, so whatever labor wants, labor gets. I suspect this will turn on a dime, when the labor market softens.
The cynic in me thinks big tech wants to promote WFH forever, as they have benefited stupendously from the war-time economy and they are in no rush back to normalcy.
I feel low trust environments like Amazon would actually make working from home a misery.
While I was there (more than half a decade back), my manager had a week where they were working remotely. And the first thing they'd do every morning in that week was call everyone on the team _individually_ to get updates. Not a team standup, but individual calls. And they were honestly "a good manager" by Amazon standards.
There was also very little writing culture back then which is very important to have thoughtful conversations in remote setting.
One of the changes from the covid-19 pandemic and pandemic's since history began is social changes that happen once the pandemic recedes. The fact that a job that can be done almost anywhere(within a certain timezone at the least) and is forced to be done at one of the most expensive real estate markets in the World(sfbay area, Seattle, NYC as well) always seemed crazy to me, and alot of others are starting to see it as well.
I expect google, apple and even the biggest stalwarts of working from the office to finally relent and allow work from home permanently. They can't put that genie back into the bottle even if they tried. Companies in tech want to be serious about climate change, then don't force your workers to commute hours to your office, its bad for the environment, bad for the workers mental and physical health, and horrible for the areas these companies cluster in by driving real estate prices to the moon and contributing greatly to homelessness and over-congestion.
In São Paulo big names became remote friendly, smaller ones followed and, given the high demand for IT workers, non remote software engineering jobs became a joke. Note: Crowded and not a commute friendly city for most people.
[+] [-] mabbo|4 years ago|reply
In my view, the personality traits that are conducive to promotion up the Amazon leadership ladder are strongly aligned with loving work-from-office. Most people L10 and higher not only don't understand the desire for permanent work from home, I think maybe they cannot understand it. It's just too foreign to many of them.
The first announcement was "We can't wait to be back in the office, and we know you can't either". Senior engineers started quitting. Then it was "Okay, okay, you can work from home 2-3 days per week, but only with your L10's approval". The exodus continued.
Now it's "Fine, you can work from home with your L8's approval, but you better be ready to show up on 24 hour notice if we say so!". The biggest benefit of work from home is not needing to commute, and lower cost of living by leaving the HCOL cities.
They don't get it. Other companies do. And anyone who has spent 5 or more years working for Amazon is well-trained enough to get a better paying job with a company that understands the cultural shift that just happened to the developer world.
Edit: I know not all developers are anti-office. But for those of us who are, working for people who don't understand us, who make policies based on what works best for them, is a problem.
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[+] [-] smashem|4 years ago|reply
* Zoom fatigue is real.
* I find it much harder to collaborate with peers.
* I feel like less of a part of the company. Not being in the office, so I'm no longer seeing that busy bee activity on the floors, not able to mingle with other people from other teams, not seeing new faces, no team activities, and no desk with my name on it. It's a very isolated feeling.
* I find it even more Groundhog Day. To wake up from bed, walk a few steps to my desk, and start plugging away. Yeah, commuting can suck, but at least there's more stimulation and "life" to it.
* Deadlines, at least from my perspective, got even more ridiculous since WFH started.
[+] [-] christophilus|4 years ago|reply
/anecdote
[+] [-] aerosmile|4 years ago|reply
What an advantage in life to have chosen this career path over any of the above ones. And what a shame whenever we come across one of those "I am a developer and it's horrible!" type of posts.
[+] [-] klausjensen|4 years ago|reply
I looked it up so you don't have to.
[+] [-] anonporridge|4 years ago|reply
Success leads to ossification, which creates opportunity for new life to exploit untapped potential.
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[+] [-] esond|4 years ago|reply
I figured, well, at least he was honest with me.
[+] [-] HeavyStorm|4 years ago|reply
However, I'm anti commute all the way. I'll never go back to working full time at a office where I need to commute to.
[+] [-] mercy_dude|4 years ago|reply
Can anyone name some of those companies? I would like to start applying in those places.
[+] [-] imutemyteam|4 years ago|reply
Using a camera cover, and working butt naked.
[+] [-] sharkweek|4 years ago|reply
The folks I know who work there were almost entirely all prepared to quit if the company forced their initial "everyone back in the office" requirement, especially in this current job market.
It feels rare to see Amazon ever make a change to such a publicly stated policy like this, I can only imagine that the groundswell of feedback from employees was quite startling in how much of a problem their retention would be with such a hard rule.
[+] [-] NotAnOtter|4 years ago|reply
They are pushing the decision from the L10+ level to the L7/L8 level. But we all know behind the scenes, L7/L8 will be pushed to behave a certain way. If it was truly their choice, those with a strict policy would bleed engineers to the directors with more lax policies, Amazon would not accidentally create a free market within their own company.
This is a deflection of blame, and nothing else.
[+] [-] KallDrexx|4 years ago|reply
> At this stage, we want most of our people close enough to their core team that they can easily travel to the office for a meeting within a day’s notice. We also know that many people have found the ability to work remotely from a different location for a few weeks at a time inspiring and reenergizing. We want to support this flexibility and will continue to offer those corporate employees, who can work effectively away from the office, the option to work up to four weeks per year fully remote from any location within your country of employment.
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TBH, I’m crossing my fingers employers will prioritize folks willing to work in the office to compensate for my lack of pedigree in other hiring/HR attention areas.
[+] [-] rubyist5eva|4 years ago|reply
I was lucky - I bought a house in the suburbs of my hometown and moved back. Told my company I was moving out of Toronto during the second lockdown last year, they didn't even question it.
Now my biggest distraction is my 2yo running in because he doesn't understand that dad works, yet. Sometimes he might be having a tantrum in the kitchen/living room and it makes it a bit difficult to concentrate...nowhere near as bad as the constant barrage of irrelevant noise from an open office.
I will never commute again.
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[+] [-] yawaworht1978|4 years ago|reply
In some jurisdictions they pay clear above industry standard.
All companies have good and bad aspects, some feel better in a startup , some feel better in a corporate giant.
[+] [-] Someone1234|4 years ago|reply
Note this isn't actually a question. You then go on to preemptively defend Amazon's reputation with:
- "depends on department, location, job."
- "I know a couple of employees who are happy."
- They pay really well.
- "All companies have good and bad aspects"
What I find striking about this defense is that it is so generic, it could apply to any and every company (aside from maybe pay). You obviously have no interest in learning why Amazon's reputation is negative, and frankly are trying to shut down discussion of it.
[+] [-] eranation|4 years ago|reply
I learned about technology more in 5 years there than my entire (20+ years) career. Smart people, always got help when I needed, always were able to keep work life balance (it’s many times up to you to know how to disconnect and say no, people respect it).
It will make you a better decision maker, much better writer (it might make you hate writing narratives but you’ll get dangerously good at it).
If you join and you got into “one of these teams”, use the wonderful tool of internal transfers. It’s one of the best things about Amazon. There are no minimums and no manager approval required to find a better match.
[+] [-] morelandjs|4 years ago|reply
I specifically chose a team based on my perception of the manager, and that decision has paid off so far. Amazon is a huge company and experiences can vary dramatically.
Imagine if 20 public state schools, 50,000 students each, formed a mega university and someone started describing it in terms of a singular culture. Ridiculous right?
I fully expect my experience is different than others and I don’t expect it to generalize to Amazon as a whole. It’s nice to hear first hand accounts from former employees (positive and negative), but I could do without the people parroting what they read online.
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It seems the expectation is that they want people to be available to come to the office on demand every once in a while, so you need to be living within at least a 1-2 hour drive from the office. While that is certainly an improvement, it isn't true remote.
If there are any big tech companies who only expect travel to the office a few times a year I would love to hear about them!
[+] [-] thehappypm|4 years ago|reply
Big cities have things like major hospitals and major employers, they have airports, they have baseball stadiums. They've also got social networks -- it's much easier to make friends in a place with 100,000 people your age than 50.
Now, escaping to the undeveloped areas is cheap, and many of them have access to things like beautiful mountains or beaches that are either far away from or too crowded near big cities. However, rural areas generally have poor infrastructure that big cities have, and often have extremely bad schools.
Being 1-2 hours away from a big city? That's kind of a sweet spot. You're still close enough to the city for culture and hospitals and the airport. But you're on a big plot of land, and since you're still in a metro, you've probably got reasonably good infrastructure and schools.
The whole "move to the mountains" thing that so many people talk about assumes you don't care about good schools, airports, hospitals, etc.
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After few days, they arranged for next set of interviews and the HR mailed me bunch links I had to study. Then I got a call from one their senior managers to inform me that there will be lot of leadership principles questions and they are very serious on them and I have prepare for them thoroughly! They took another month to complete like next 5 rounds and at the end the HR calls me and say that I had to take one interview again as one of the the directors had lost the feed back on me!. I said no, then he comes back and says that they have found the feedback.
They took another few days and sent me a rejection letter. I wasn’t expecting an offer from them as I did sort of average in the interview, but the whole experience made me think how unprofessional they were!.
[+] [-] cletus|4 years ago|reply
I ask because I’m curious how far employee pressure goes as that’s so much worse than other FAANG companies.
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[+] [-] thereare5lights|4 years ago|reply
This reminds me of what George said to Jerry in The Deal on Seinfeld:
> Jerry: Spending the night. Optional.
> George: No, you see? You got greedy.
Making the policy discretionary will ultimately make it like an "unlimited vacation" policy where it actually doesn't happen but the company gets to say that it's their policy.
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[+] [-] jedberg|4 years ago|reply
This is they key right here. Basically you still have to live within a few hours drive of Seattle or Palo Alto, or even less depending on your patience.
Still better than five days a week in the office though!
[+] [-] WalterBright|4 years ago|reply
That encompasses the entire state of Washington, and includes a good chunk of Oregon.
Not a burden.
P.S. Friends of mine have lived in Seattle and commuted to eastern Washington some decades ago. It's entirely workable.
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The cynic in me thinks big tech wants to promote WFH forever, as they have benefited stupendously from the war-time economy and they are in no rush back to normalcy.
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While I was there (more than half a decade back), my manager had a week where they were working remotely. And the first thing they'd do every morning in that week was call everyone on the team _individually_ to get updates. Not a team standup, but individual calls. And they were honestly "a good manager" by Amazon standards.
There was also very little writing culture back then which is very important to have thoughtful conversations in remote setting.
[+] [-] subsubzero|4 years ago|reply
I expect google, apple and even the biggest stalwarts of working from the office to finally relent and allow work from home permanently. They can't put that genie back into the bottle even if they tried. Companies in tech want to be serious about climate change, then don't force your workers to commute hours to your office, its bad for the environment, bad for the workers mental and physical health, and horrible for the areas these companies cluster in by driving real estate prices to the moon and contributing greatly to homelessness and over-congestion.
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