[da_big_ghey]

So much condescension in your response, no I am not expecting a child to find role model, only that there is more place than public school where child finds the role model. This is exactly why I had a list of others, church, boy scouts, etc. I knew some growing up who had no good father figure, these were places they find them. I think we must limit degree to which government employee acts as role model for child.

I do not think child participates in "patriarchal aristocracy", I only say that me and many other people I know have found other role model than biological father even without having male teacher. I do not know why there is pertinence on children out of wedlock, we mostly still see it as bad but I think you have already some anger on this subject and it has no relation here. Are you making statements that government school must provide male role model so women can have children without marriage and those children have role model? In loco parentis is not the intended normal course for all children to such an extent.

[riversflow]

>This is exactly why I had a list of others, church, boy scouts, etc.

And this is exactly why I said you are acting privileged, most of my friends have no religion and I dont even know anyone who was in the scouts. Going to a friend's house wasnt easy, male teachers absolutely helped, in a big way. I'm glad that worked for those guys, but that's hardly universal. Not everyone has a community to support them.

>I think we must limit degree to which government employee acts as role model for child.

Care to elaborate as to why you think that? I have the diametrically opposite opinion. Looking at this data, society is currently failing boys, I think that providing more role models is a step in the right direction. If the government doesnt do it for those less fortunate boys, who will?

>I do not know why there is pertinence on children out of wedlock, we mostly still see it as bad but I think you have already some anger on this subject and it has no relation here.

What? I have anger on this subject? nah. Please don't make assumptions about how others feel, its pretty rude and destructive. We're talking about societal trends of boys having less father figures, that absolutely has relavence here. I also find your presumption of seeing single mothers as bad as pretty... archaic. Live and let live.

> I do not think child participates in "patriarchal aristocracy

I'm sorry, I guess I was clear enough, my point was directed at:

>>>For a long time teacher was only a job for young unwed women, but we did not have this problem with boys

When being a teacher was only a job for young unmarried women and we weren't having this problem with boys, elite academics absolutely was the realm of the patriarchal aristocracy. To be very clear, I'm positing that we didnt have this problem because academics used to be sexist and classist. Times change, society changes and government needs to adapt.