[da_big_ghey]

If I am in top 1% worker, and if union is generally flatten the salaries to make me receive less for others more, why should I not "nodding along on union busting talking points"? I like my very very large paycheck.

[objclxt]

> if union is generally flatten the salaries to make me receive less for others more

Who says that’s what will happen? Tom Cruise is a member of SAG, do you think he gets paid SAG union rates?

Union busters in tech have done a fantastic job of convincing engineers that all unions are blue-collar. Which is funny, because you only have to look to Hollywood to see unions like SAG, the DGA, and the WGA which exist to protect all workers from exploitation and not cap compensation at all.

[krrrh]

It’s the work rules that make a lot of American unions distasteful to workers. A lot of people just don’t want to work in a place where people routinely say stuff like, “that’s not my job, union rules.”

The Wizard of Speed and Time is a great film about how difficult it is to be an independent creator in Hollywood due to the costs of getting anything started. The unions make it very hard to bootstrap anything without massive financing.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j5a_00YVVkQ

[asiachick]

I don't have to see that at all. In fact here's a movie about how much those Hollywood Unions suck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5a_00YVVkQ#t=16m50s

[billiam]

What about sports unions? Or airplane pilots?

[da_big_ghey]

Guild is some exception, not so common in unions. Always it end up more like typical aflcio union. I also have made some switch between front end and back end in job, have done some security job and back to normal developing, all these are usually harder in unions. Maybe in theory it is not required but in practice it is almost always this way.

Also I have started prior tech company, it would have been hugely difficult if i had to make negotiations with unions.

[the_benno]

because it's not a zero sum game? those union busting talking points keep you focused on your less-fortunate colleagues and and not the obscenely wealthy guy screwing the both of you over.

[da_big_ghey]

But if i turn over to a union there is small assurance i will not take some pay cut. I doubt people making so much are top of bargaining priority list, probably more rank-and-files level are their focus. And then I have turned over my rights to majority, so it is suck up what my coworker wants or leave. It is similar for employer, i must suck up what it want or leave, but I already known these terms are okay with employer. Since i am not in majority bracket of workers this probably is not good.

[croes]

Next time you need help by others remember "Why should they?" Your paycheck become worthless if society gets fucked up.

[da_big_ghey]

I guess i forgot some consideration that disaffected brogrammers may start new revolution for payed only $85,000 not $125,000.

[nielsbot]

Is this trolling? Either way, I hate this self-centered comment.

Have you considered that a union could be good for all employees? What about setting minimum salary requirements? Maybe ensuring more of a company's profits are paid out to its workers?

[mrRandomGuy]

nice, it only took two comments before we got to the "my paycheck very big, union very bad, why I join union? tomorrow will be like today, I will always be big paycheck"

[pstuart]

That could be interpreted as "I've got mine, Jack. Why should I give a fuck about anybody else?"

This raises the question: if you only care about yourself, why should we care about you?

[macinjosh]

Because he can do well regardless of how much you do or do not care for him.

Many people would very much appreciate it if other members of society cared less about them. Care is not required for humans to participate in a mutually beneficial society.

[da_big_ghey]

Why it is selfish for me to want my paycheck but not when you want me to take some maybe paycut to pay you more?

[gatlin]

Because you won't always have it so lucky and also because other people deserve nice pay and working conditions too.