This is wonderful news, 13,000 sightings in one location is 6x more than ALL western US locations last year.
Western US populations have collapsed: 4.5m in 80s, 1.2m in 1997, to 100k in 2002, to 2k in 2020.[1][2]
One issue is Monarch larva can only eat two plants: both milkweeds, toxic to their predators. Birds will vomit and then avoid them.[3] However, in recent years not one milkweed plant could be identified without heavy insecticide contamination. Even when no pesticides were used by the landowners or nearby.[4]
Random anecdote: I keep a couple of milkweeds casually on my 4th story apartment balcony in SoCal and I get many monarchs coming thru, sometimes a handful of cocoons at a time. I got a cheap butterfly enclosure and I put the entire plant in it to keep spiders and the like from getting to them either in the cocoon or shortly after. I purchased the plant only incidentally as it looked nice and the monarchs were a pleasant addition.
> Which brings us to the reason why tropical milkweed is such a problem in Southern California. See, tropical milkweed works fine as caterpillar food in colder parts of the United States, when it dies back during the winter, killing any parasites that live on the plants. But in Southern California tropical milkweed stays green and blooming year round. Xerces Society researchers believe this evergreen milkweed confuses normal monarch migration and allows harmful microscopic parasites — Ophryocystis elektroscirrha, or OE — to multiply on the plants. Monarch caterpillars end up eating a lot of this nasty parasite as they devour the leaves and researchers believe OE is sickening the adults, messing up their lifespans, migration patterns and ability to reproduce.
Yeah, I haven't been seeing Monarchs for some time now, though just in the past few weeks I saw both a Queen (Danaus gilippus, a relative of the Monarch) and two Snout-Nosed butterflies (Libytheana bachmanii, another migratory species).
Not sure why, but this season does seem to have more butterflies than usual, at least locally. So maybe it's not just Monarchs.
One mutation, and an a species can become resistant to certain toxins. For example, the plant itself is toxic to birds, yet the monarch eats it.
Did some mutation happen, and now the progeny of that lineage are multiplying? If other monarchs die, they'd have lots of food available, so would exponentially grow.
When I was a kid on a farm in Saskatchewan, there were hundreds of Cabbage butterflies in my backyard, and usually a dozen or so Monarchs. I remember the Monarchs being easy to catch with my hands, as if they weren't afraid.
Now that I know how much their population has depleted, these memories feel extremely idyllic to me.
Not Monarch Butterflies, but my youth included a similar experience with Lightning Bugs. They completely disappeared from our yards by my teens, but before then, a major part of the non-winter experience was catching and releasing them in bare hands at dusk.
I went to Mexico January past and lucked out that it was butterfly season. Ever since raising them with my own milkweed plants I had wanted to see this sight.
I can only encourage tourism for this event, a million butterflys flapping their wings definitely makes a sound and hopefully the more tourists that go to see them, the more value is placed on protecting their forestry reserves.
Anecdotally there has been an increase in Australia over the past five years, I see heaps of them whenever I go riding now and some about my house in suburbia.
I went to a small national park, a strip between two roads, and it was loaded with butterflies and dragonflies. It was like a disney film. It makes me think that vehicle pollution isn't their biggest threat but rather incecticides.
A couple of decades ago you would see huge numbers of monarchs in the winter in Santa Cruz and Pacific Grove, but in recent years there have been almost none. I hope they manage to recover.
This seems like a website dedicated to only good news stories. Cool idea!
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Even with the acknowledgement of the concept "flagship species" in conservation, I still don't get the obsession of monarch butterflies. The effort put into it seems to be pretty "narrow" for lack of better words (as in, it can't help much for other species). Did I miss something about how important it is?
people like LCMs: Large Charismatic Mammals. Tigers and elephants are easier to get funding to help compared to some ugly fish. People find most bugs gross and so are unlikely to help out. But the monarch is beautiful and many people remember them fluttering through their lives every year.
Same for my family. We don't count them, but we absolutely do make a point of noticing them. There were a lot more in our pollinator garden this summer than prior years.
I've been living in the Grover Beach area for ~4 years, but visiting the monarch grove for about 15. This year has been _one_ of the better so far. With the milkweed I planted at the house I bought this year here, and milkweed I've seen my neighbors planting, I hope to continue to the uprise of their proliferation. That being said, my parents reported that in the 80s, there were about 2000x more of them than even now, so...
Hardly recovered. Just a little better than last year.
When my 19 year old was 2, we used to go to Santa Cruz Natural Bridges State Park, one of the spots they overwinter. The monarchs hung in thick cable-like strands from all the trees. As the day warmed, the sky swarmed with many thousands. Two thousand total is still a pittance. This population remains in dire straits.
Monarch butterflies are nice and such, but let's not take this as an indication that everything is hunky-dory. The world's still going to hell in a hand basket if we don't address the predatory ecosystem exploitation that's currently driving our global economy. Habitat destruction is continuing, we still poison our fields and rivers and we still continue to cut apart vital ecosystems into smaller and smaller patches get more vulnerable every time.
If you live near San Francisco, the Bay Area or Silicon Valley there is a Monarch Butterfly overwintering site in the Ardenwood Historical Farms, Fremont.
I’d be pretty surprised if we have answer to why this is happening just yet. It‘ll probably take scientists a while to come up with plausible theories.
A blip caused by COVID I would suspect. I can see a year with lower levels of human activity helping butterflies and other relatively delicate creatures quite a bit. Good news, but I'd wait until 2023 before I got too excited.
This is not a good take. It is patently obvious that humans have a large impact on the environment, and we value aspects of the environment. Just because some form of life is likely to survive our footprints, does not mean the things we value don't need to be stewarded to be maintained.
Carlin talks as if trying to protect species is interfering, wheres the opposite is not?! Humans are interfering no matter what, and it doesn't make sense to pretend otherwise. So if we're interfering no-matter what, let us be circumspect about it.
[+] [-] deep-root|4 years ago|reply
Western US populations have collapsed: 4.5m in 80s, 1.2m in 1997, to 100k in 2002, to 2k in 2020.[1][2]
One issue is Monarch larva can only eat two plants: both milkweeds, toxic to their predators. Birds will vomit and then avoid them.[3] However, in recent years not one milkweed plant could be identified without heavy insecticide contamination. Even when no pesticides were used by the landowners or nearby.[4]
The Xerces Society is an excellent starting place to learn and get involved. https://xerces.org/monarchs
[1] https://www.fws.gov/news/ShowNews.cfm?_ID=36817 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarch_butterfly#/media/File:... [3] https://www.sciencefriday.com/articles/the-case-of-the-barfi... [4] https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fevo.2020.00162...
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From https://www.latimes.com/lifestyle/story/2021-04-01/how-to-fi...:
> Which brings us to the reason why tropical milkweed is such a problem in Southern California. See, tropical milkweed works fine as caterpillar food in colder parts of the United States, when it dies back during the winter, killing any parasites that live on the plants. But in Southern California tropical milkweed stays green and blooming year round. Xerces Society researchers believe this evergreen milkweed confuses normal monarch migration and allows harmful microscopic parasites — Ophryocystis elektroscirrha, or OE — to multiply on the plants. Monarch caterpillars end up eating a lot of this nasty parasite as they devour the leaves and researchers believe OE is sickening the adults, messing up their lifespans, migration patterns and ability to reproduce.
[+] [-] Natsu|4 years ago|reply
Not sure why, but this season does seem to have more butterflies than usual, at least locally. So maybe it's not just Monarchs.
[+] [-] b112|4 years ago|reply
One mutation, and an a species can become resistant to certain toxins. For example, the plant itself is toxic to birds, yet the monarch eats it.
Did some mutation happen, and now the progeny of that lineage are multiplying? If other monarchs die, they'd have lots of food available, so would exponentially grow.
Hmm.
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[+] [-] nightowl_games|4 years ago|reply
Now that I know how much their population has depleted, these memories feel extremely idyllic to me.
[+] [-] pengaru|4 years ago|reply
We took it for granted at the time.
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[+] [-] aunty_helen|4 years ago|reply
I can only encourage tourism for this event, a million butterflys flapping their wings definitely makes a sound and hopefully the more tourists that go to see them, the more value is placed on protecting their forestry reserves.
[+] [-] ehnto|4 years ago|reply
I went to a small national park, a strip between two roads, and it was loaded with butterflies and dragonflies. It was like a disney film. It makes me think that vehicle pollution isn't their biggest threat but rather incecticides.
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[+] [-] gerbilly|4 years ago|reply
Many of the solutions for reversing monarch also have positive side effects for other species.
All life is connected. One species can alert you to the deterioration of an entire ecosystem.
[+] [-] esarbe|4 years ago|reply
It also allows people to think "Yeah, that one particular species had a good year, so everything is fine and we can go back to business as usual".
I for one don't hold my breath.
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[+] [-] bpodgursky|4 years ago|reply
(unlike k-selected species like gorillas where the recovery takes many generations and decades...)
[+] [-] wglass|4 years ago|reply
When my 19 year old was 2, we used to go to Santa Cruz Natural Bridges State Park, one of the spots they overwinter. The monarchs hung in thick cable-like strands from all the trees. As the day warmed, the sky swarmed with many thousands. Two thousand total is still a pittance. This population remains in dire straits.
[+] [-] esarbe|4 years ago|reply
But still; go little butterfly!
[+] [-] gjkood|4 years ago|reply
The season is from November to February.
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[+] [-] azinman2|4 years ago|reply
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7W33HRc1A6c
[+] [-] therealdrag0|4 years ago|reply
Carlin talks as if trying to protect species is interfering, wheres the opposite is not?! Humans are interfering no matter what, and it doesn't make sense to pretend otherwise. So if we're interfering no-matter what, let us be circumspect about it.
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[+] [-] esarbe|4 years ago|reply
In the long run, global warming will definitively wreck havoc, so; still bad news.
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